"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[ShiningInLuz]

The important point is when was the remit drawn up...you do not seem to know. As far as I am aware it was drawn up after SY had considered the evidence in the files..then decided that in their opinion...based on the evidence ..maddie had been removed from the apartment by a stranger.....now where have we heard that before.

The statement that the McCanns were not suspects is evidence of their non involvement...the Mccanns are innocent...you seem to suspect them on points you have misunderstood...such as the group timeline

I know for certain that I do not know when the remit was drawn up, and I'm happy to make this abundantly clear.

You, on the other hand, obviously don't know when the remit was drawn up, but you speculate that it was after SY had considered the evidence in the files, without providing anything to support your speculation.

Neither the remit nor Redwood's words prove anything other than there is a remit that excludes the McCanns.

If you have anything solid to show the McCanns were considered and then ruled out on the basis of evidence, please provide it.

[G-Unit]

I am trying to solve this case on the basis that KM's account is truthful G-Unit that the child did state that she cried on Wednesday night. Obviously if you just say oh KM is lying the child never said anything at breakfast then my approach is rubbish.
IMO any reconstruction limited to the tiny Thu 8.30pm-10pm period is ridiculous. It would need to also cover Wed 8pm-1am, and also extend hours after Thu 10pm.

ABC! Assume nothing, believe no-one, check everything. Basic policing.

Firstly, which of Kate's truthful statements are correct? Were the twins crying? (Kate and Gerry 4th May) or was it Madeleine (Kate 6th September)

She reports only one episode where, on the morning of Thursday May 3rd, Madeleine asked the interviewee why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

Madeleine asked the witness the reason why they had not gone to her room when the twins were crying.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

Thursday, during breakfast said to both of them that she had been crying and that nobody had come to her room, she presumes that this crying must have been before she and Gerry returned to the apartment.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

[Alice Purjorick]

I know for certain that I do not know when the remit was drawn up, and I'm happy to make this abundantly clear.

You, on the other hand, obviously don't know when the remit was drawn up, but you speculate that it was after SY had considered the evidence in the files, without providing anything to support your speculation.

Neither the remit nor Redwood's words prove anything other than there is a remit that excludes the McCanns.

If you have anything solid to show the McCanns were considered and then ruled out on the basis of evidence, please provide it.

Operation Grange was set up on the 12th May 2011 with primacy formally passing from Leicestershire Police to The Metropolitan Police Service on 14th June 2011.
The announcement of Operation Grange, its remit and who was taking over from whom was contemporaneous.
See MPS website.
http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Operation-Grange/1400005508791/35434

[pathfinder73]

The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann not Abduction of.

 "While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance." LP

[Mr Gray]

I know for certain that I do not know when the remit was drawn up, and I'm happy to make this abundantly clear.

You, on the other hand, obviously don't know when the remit was drawn up, but you speculate that it was after SY had considered the evidence in the files, without providing anything to support your speculation.

Neither the remit nor Redwood's words prove anything other than there is a remit that excludes the McCanns.

If you have anything solid to show the McCanns were considered and then ruled out on the basis of evidence, please provide it.

like a lot of posters you now using the word prove rather than evidence....Redwood's statement is evidence as i have already stated.

Are you suggesting the remit was decided upon before looking at the files...that's bizarre

The remit is abduction but redwood has talked of maddie not leaving the apt alive....so not abduction  so Redwood is not limited by the remit.
You posted...

OG has a remit not to investigate the MCanns...have you just made that up...another bizarre statement...

You cannot seem to accept that SY do not consider the McCanns suspects....I find that odd

[Mr Gray]

Operation Grange was set up on the 12th May 2011 with primacy formally passing from Leicestershire Police to The Metropolitan Police Service on 14th June 2011.
The announcement of Operation Grange, its remit and who was taking over from whom was contemporaneous.
See MPS website.
http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Operation-Grange/1400005508791/35434

what evidence do you have that the publication of the remit was contempraneous with the setting up of Grange

[Alice Purjorick]

what evidence do you have that the publication of the remit was contempraneous with the setting up of Grange

Try looking through the MPS website as linked.

[ferryman]

I realise I am unpopular because I post the truth about amaral......imo he has shown himself to be very poor at his job and given a suspended sentence for perjury

Quite.

Why does anyone take anything the clown Amaral says seriously? 

[Eleanor]

Quite.

Why does anyone take anything the clown Amaral says seriously?

Because it gets at The McCanns.  It really is that simple.

[John]

Quite.

Why does anyone take anything the clown Amaral says seriously?

Ferryman, please desist with the colourful adjectives.  TY

[stephen25000]

Quite.

Why does anyone take anything the clown Amaral says seriously?

Your post smacks of a personal interest  in this case.

[Alice Purjorick]

Ferryman, please desist with the colourful adjectives.  TY

And being encouraged by a moderator too 

[Mr Gray]

Try looking through the MPS website as linked.

I seem to remember that was added later
Will post a link shortly

[ShiningInLuz]

Operation Grange was set up on the 12th May 2011 with primacy formally passing from Leicestershire Police to The Metropolitan Police Service on 14th June 2011.
The announcement of Operation Grange, its remit and who was taking over from whom was contemporaneous.
See MPS website.
http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Operation-Grange/1400005508791/35434

Thanks for that.

Please help me out here.

OG, to all intents and purposes, was kicked off in May/June 2011, with a remit of abduction.  Is this the gist?

I am struggling with the idea of how the McCanns could, in this instance, abduct their own child.

Does this mean OG was established with a remit that excludes the parents?  And does the timing sequence of the set-up mean that there was no time to review the case, and decide on the basis of said review that the evidence showed the McCanns were not suspects?

Sorry if I am being a bit slow, but I would genuinely like to know if any police work ruled out the McCanns BEFORE abduction was established as the remit.

[Mr Gray]

Thanks for that.

Please help me out here.

OG, to all intents and purposes, was kicked off in May/June 2011, with a remit of abduction.  Is this the gist?

I am struggling with the idea of how the McCanns could, in this instance, abduct their own child.

Does this mean OG was established with a remit that excludes the parents?  And does the timing sequence of the set-up mean that there was no time to review the case, and decide on the basis of said review that the evidence showed the McCanns were not suspects?

Sorry if I am being a bit slow, but I would genuinely like to know if any police work ruled out the McCanns BEFORE abduction was established as the remit.

you are assuming alice is correct...beware making assunptions
It depends when the remit was drawn up. Both you and alice need to read that link again and see if you think it was written in may 11 when the review started.

That statement was not made in may or june 11...it was made later

see if you can work out how I know