"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[Mr Gray]

I think I said:
"The announcement of Operation Grange, its remit and who was taking over from whom was contemporaneous".
The Website confirms it. If you don't want to believe it and have been sucked in by blonk's hypothesis that is not my problem.

#The website does not confirm it

[ShiningInLuz]

The mechanics are.  Most of the files had to be professionally translated.  All of the files had to be loaded into HOLMES.  Throw enough money, translators, and clerical assistants at it and I think one could do that lot in 7 months.

Next is the crunchy part.  All one has to do now is understand the vast amount of data one has, interview the McCanns, xref that to the files, and conclude that the McCanns were not involved.

Then write a meaningless remit.  It could have said - we investigated McCann involvement and found none - instead it said 'it is an abduction'.

To date, on the time I have been on the forum, I have not seen one shred of evidence that OG considered the McCanns and ruled them out.  Not a single post.

I have seen lots of 'should have', 'must have', and similar speculation.  But not an iota of actual evidence.

Perhaps it happened.  But the key word in that sentence is perhaps.

[mercury]

The parents whether innocent or not have not been cleared by anyone or anything despite the many spoutings on here

[sadie]

The parents whether innocent or not have not been cleared by anyone or anything despite the many spoutings on here

Neither have I been cleared of it, nor Amaral, nor Jez, nor Mrs Fenn, nor you, nor anyone.

But The Mccanns have been freed from suspect status.  They are not arquidos and the PJ have NOTHING against them, nor against me, nor Mrs Fenn, nor Jez, nor you ..... !

[mercury]

Neither have I been cleared of it, nor Amaral, nor Jez, nor Mrs Fenn, nor you, nor anyone.

But The Mccanns have been freed from suspect status.  They are not arquidos and the PJ have NOTHING against them, nor against me, nor Mrs Fenn, nor Jez, nor you ..... !

The small difference being you or me or mrs fenn of jez were not ever on any radar or  suspected  or made  arguidos, ergo a funny and silly argument

[Mr Gray]

I haven't said that and I could not provide any evidence to support non-questioning in any event.

The mechanics are.  Most of the files had to be professionally translated.  All of the files had to be loaded into HOLMES.  Throw enough money, translators, and clerical assistants at it and I think one could do that lot in 7 months.

Next is the crunchy part.  All one has to do now is understand the vast amount of data one has, interview the McCanns, xref that to the files, and conclude that the McCanns were not involved.

Then write a meaningless remit.  It could have said - we investigated McCann involvement and found none - instead it said 'it is an abduction'.

To date, on the time I have been on the forum, I have not seen one shred of evidence that OG considered the McCanns and ruled them out.  Not a single post.

I have seen lots of 'should have', 'must have', and similar speculation.  But not an iota of actual evidence.

Perhaps it happened.  But the key word in that sentence is perhaps.

The logic is quite simple. McCanns are interviewed  several times by experienced detectives, Their stories stand up under scrutiny and SYbelieve...based on the statements and their years of experience that the parents are not involved. That does not take 7 months. That leaves woke and wandered or abduction as the only alternatives.

Do I have any evidence to support this..yes..The statement by SY that the parents are not suspects. Do I have proof no.  What evidence do you have that it hasn't happened none. You are suggesting that SY have spent 12 million pounds on an investigation without carrying out basic police work first. You are suggesting that SY are ignoring any evidence pointing to the parents...both ridiculous assumptions. If this had happened I think their would be  a leak from SY. It is blindingly obvious...the parents are not involved...so what happened to Maddie...abducted or woke and wandered.

[Benice]

The small difference being you or me or mrs fenn of jez were not ever on any radar or  suspected  or made  arguidos, ergo a funny and silly argument

Does this mean that unless/until the case is solved, no person who was made an arguido can claim to have been exonerated from suspicion once their arguido status is removed?

The McCanns friends were never made arguidos - so what is their status now IYO? 

[stephen25000]

Does this mean that unless/until the case is solved, no person who was made an arguido can claim to have been exonerated from suspicion once their arguido status is removed?

The McCanns friends were never made arguidos - so what is their status now IYO?

Arguida status can be re-invoked for up to 20 years after the initial invoke.

[G-Unit]

It took a very long time to look at all the documents related to the case. This from August 2012;

Mr Hogan-Howe said he would be seeking a decision from the Government in the next few months over how long they wished to fund the investigation. He said police were still sifting through a huge cache of documents.He said: “We are still reviewing a lot of material.....

By April this year they had managed to look at a quarter of some 40,000 pieces of information.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-chief-calls-for-decision-on-funding-of-madeleine-mccann-review-8078769.html

[Mr Gray]

It took a very long time to look at all the documents related to the case. This from August 2012;

Mr Hogan-Howe said he would be seeking a decision from the Government in the next few months over how long they wished to fund the investigation. He said police were still sifting through a huge cache of documents.He said: “We are still reviewing a lot of material.....

By April this year they had managed to look at a quarter of some 40,000 pieces of information.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-chief-calls-for-decision-on-funding-of-madeleine-mccann-review-8078769.html

SY would not need to translate all the files to decide the McCanns were not suspects.....what is in the files that points to the Mccanns guilt ?,,,,,almost certainly the first things translated would be statements by the McCanns and friends

[slartibartfast]

The logic is quite simple. McCanns are interviewed  several times by experienced detectives, Their stories stand up under scrutiny and SYbelieve...based on the statements and their years of experience that the parents are not involved.

They were interviewed by the PJ who came to a different conclusion.

[Alice Purjorick]

The logic is quite simple. McCanns are interviewed  several times by experienced detectives, Their stories stand up under scrutiny and SYbelieve...based on the statements and their years of experience that the parents are not involved. That does not take 7 months. That leaves woke and wandered or abduction as the only alternatives.

Do I have any evidence to support this..yes..The statement by SY that the parents are not suspects. Do I have proof no.  What evidence do you have that it hasn't happened none. You are suggesting that SY have spent 12 million pounds on an investigation without carrying out basic police work first. You are suggesting that SY are ignoring any evidence pointing to the parents...both ridiculous assumptions. If this had happened I think their would be  a leak from SY. It is blindingly obvious...the parents are not involved...so what happened to Maddie...abducted or woke and wandered.

That was not a view shared by the Portuguese judiciary. As The MPS keep reminding us the Portuguese have primacy in this case.

[ShiningInLuz]

You wonder whether I care about Maddie...how much can you get wrong. The one thing that I believe everyone on this forum has in common is that they care about maddie..as regards translating the files...SY would be able to interview the mccanns...the tapas 9...how long would that take...they have decided they are not suspects...your theories are wrong..get over it

'would be able to' - so once again no evidence as to what actually happened, merely more speculation.

I will say this only once.  If you are going to speculate, do not address me in the way you have in your last 7 words.  It is offensive, and I have no intention of putting up with it.

[Alice Purjorick]

#The website does not confirm it

Maybe the website does not but the documents on the website do.

[Mr Gray]

'would be able to' - so once again no evidence as to what actually happened, merely more speculation.

I will say this only once.  If you are going to speculate, do not address me in the way you have in your last 7 words.  It is offensive, and I have no intention of putting up with it.

your suggestion that I don't care about maddie is offensive..please desist from such posts...do you realise that your contention that the McCanns have not been interviewed is pure speculation