"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[mercury]

You have said that common sense cannot tell us what OG have done in respect of interviewing the parents.
They drew everything back to zero. A disappearance allegedly facilitated by an open window.
If you refer to the methodology T.I.E. as used by English police in this type of major incident you must surely agree that the parents must have been evaluated and eliminated to the extent of DCI Redwood's statement confirming they are not suspects. To say that the parents have not been fully investigated would put OG on a par with the original investigation led by GA which is an insult to both our elite police officers & operational systems.

Are you denying the fact that redwood was asked and answered that question abut them beng suspects in the context of the 38 persons of interest at the time of that specific press conference in a particular line of inquiry?

[ShiningInLuz]

You have stated that you think the McCanns may be involved in Maddie's disappearance. Perhaps you could share the evidence that is based on

Yup, could do.  Unfortunately it is a bit late this night to carry out the latest practical test.  And I would not wish to spout off without evidence.

[misty]

Are you denying the fact that redwood was asked and answered that question abut them beng suspects in the context of the 38 persons of interest at the time of that specific press conference in a particular line of inquiry?

Which particular line of enquiry are you referring to?

[mercury]

Which particular line of enquiry are you referring to?

The first general one that had identified to them 38 persons of interest after they had gone through two thirds of the case files..my point being that the Met have never said they have cleared the Mccanns flat out

Eta thats if the remit did include a full investigation no holds barred whether it was referred to as an abduction or not...you know, policemen of any rank are not wordsmiths, as grime was not, they put out a message to the best of their abilities to tell or not to tell what is exactly happening, they dont have lawyers drafting their documents and speeches

[misty]

The first general one that had identified to them 38 persons of interest after they had gone through two thirds of the case files..my point being that the Met have never said they have cleared the Mccanns flat out

I agree.
 However, BHH has said that SY are down to their last line of enquiry, a pathway on which "all" are agreed.
Is there any evidence that the McCanns are under investigation right now?

[mercury]

I agree.
 However, BHH has said that SY are down to their last line of enquiry, a pathway on which "all" are agreed.
Is there any evidence that the McCanns are under investigation right now?

BHH is as much a PR spokesman as a leader and the answer to your q is
I doubt there would be if that were the case

[misty]

BHH is as much a PR spokesman as a leader and the answer to your q is
I doubt there would be if that were the case

Put in another context - what evidence that they don't already hold do you think SY are hoping to acquire after all this time which would enable a successful prosecution of the parents?

[mercury]

Put in another context - what evidence that they don't already hold do you think SY are hoping to acquire after all this time which would enable a successful prosecution of the parents?

Prosecution needs near proof, there seems to be none, but no proof is required of evidence leading to suspicions

Btw would SY be in any position to prosecute the parents? isnt that the privilege of the PT authorities? They neither have any proof it seems. So we are nowhere further than the summer of 2008 where no authority exonerated them and none could prosecute them, likewise no evidence of a stranger abduction, gosh all these police pis and others so stumped
anyone got any ideas what stumps 7 pi agencies 3 polices forces and worldwide 13 yr media campaigns?

[Mr Gray]

Yup, could do.  Unfortunately it is a bit late this night to carry out the latest practical test.  And I would not wish to spout off without evidence.

You already have spouted off and said you suspect the McCanns ...so obvioulsly without evidence...mere speculation. I guarantee your practical test willl prove nothing but will be delighted if you prove me wrong

[Mr Gray]

I wasn't even discussing that subject, I was still discussing these assertions;

I think the remit was written after the McCanns had been interviewed and ruled out (davel)

You speculate that the Mccanns have not been investigated then criticise me for suggesting they have. (davel)

If you want my opinion on whether OG interviewed the McCanns about the abduction we can discuss that instead, but do try not to change the subject of the discussion in the middle of it.

Yes I want to establish the thoughts on whether the Mccanns have been interviwed by Grange...I have said they woukld have been...I don't think i have used the word investigated......I have used interviewed...sil posted

I note you are still supplying speculation.  Along the lines that the OG has sat down with the McCanns.  Anything to support this?

Absolutely anything?


I would say there is a lot to support that SY have sat down....have gone through their account of that night. How
else could they investigate an abduction. So do we now have consensus that the McCanns have been interviewed by SY...

[G-Unit]

You have said that common sense cannot tell us what OG have done in respect of interviewing the parents.
They drew everything back to zero. A disappearance allegedly facilitated by an open window.
If you refer to the methodology T.I.E. as used by English police in this type of major incident you must surely agree that the parents must have been  to the extent of DCI Redwood's statement confirming they are not suspects. To say that the parents have not been fully investigated would put OG on a par with the original investigation led by GA which is an insult to both our elite police officers & operational systems.

Is zero a 'disappearance' with no preconceptions or is it 'an abduction has occurred'? No-one knows but the remit suggests the latter. If zero was abduction why would the parents need to be evaluated and eliminated?

The PJ investigated for 14 months, admitted they had no way of progressing and went to archive. OG have investigated for 5 years and are close to a similar ending imo. Neither have solved the case.

I don't know how you are using 'elite'. To whom do you consider our police officers are superior?

[G-Unit]

Yes I want to establish the thoughts on whether the Mccanns have been interviwed by Grange...I have said they woukld have been...I don't think i have used the word investigated......I have used interviewed...sil posted

I note you are still supplying speculation.  Along the lines that the OG has sat down with the McCanns.  Anything to support this?

Absolutely anything?


I would say there is a lot to support that SY have sat down....have gone through their account of that night. How
else could they investigate an abduction. So do we now have consensus that the McCanns have been interviewed by SY...

You used the word investigated. This is what you said;

You speculate that the Mccanns have not been investigated then criticise me for suggesting they have.  May 05, 2016, 07:25:36 PM

[Mr Gray]

You used the word investigated. This is what you said;

You speculate that the Mccanns have not been investigated then criticise me for suggesting they have.  May 05, 2016, 07:25:36 PM

looks like it was sil who used it not me....BUT...you seem to be avoiding the question...have the MCCanns been interviewed...which many have denied...the answer has to be yes..do you agree

[slartibartfast]

There is an informal one called The Caterpillar Club.

After a page or 2, do you think that topic has finished... ;)

[G-Unit]

looks like it was sil who used it not me....BUT...you seem to be avoiding the question...have the MCCanns been interviewed...which many have denied...the answer has to be yes..do you agree

You have consistently argued that OG have, in your opinion, investigated the McCanns and ruled them out. The evidence you have used to support your opinion is Redwood's declaration that the McCanns were not suspects. Are you now denying that you have said that?