Author Topic: "We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.  (Read 190803 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

I was under the impression the dog alerts were not corroborated AND dismissed.

they were and have been

Offline jassi

I was under the impression the dog alerts were not corroborated AND dismissed.

Why should you think they were dismissed?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline pathfinder73

they were and have been

 @)(++(* SY were using the dogs in PDL. Police don't dismiss dog alerts in a missing person case.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

@)(++(* SY were using the dogs in PDL. Police don't dismiss dog alerts in a missing person case.

It depends on what the dogs find....and if you still do not understand that...then all your opinions and conclusions are based on your mistake

It is not unusual.

'Keela' The Crime Scene Investigation (C.S.I.) dog will search for and locate human blood to such small proportions that it is unlikely to be recovered by the forensic science procedures in place at this time due to its size or placement.
Sounds like we do not need police or forensics then, just dogs whose 'intelligence' was not corroborated...a tad far fetched as proof Keela found evidence IMO.

Offline Mr Gray

So why do they concern both the mccanns and their supporters ?

because there are so many lies told about the alerts and so many believe those lies

Why should you think they were dismissed?
Because Grime said they were meaningless?
They did not lead to any forensic proof.

Offline pathfinder73

It depends on what the dogs find....and if you still do not understand that...then all your opinions and conclusions are based on your mistake

Eddie alerted in the Prout case. He didn't find nothing but they were looking for a body. These dogs are brought in by police when murder is suspected. No way do they dismiss their alerts when a person is missing after 9 years.

"This report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline jassi

Because Grime said they were meaningless?
They did not lead to any forensic proof.

That doesn't mean they are dismissed, merely marked as low priority and  put aside in case the situation changes.  - IMO
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

it really is ridiculous that after 9 years some posters do not understand the insignificance of the alerts and stil believe what amaral said...taht is why we are still discussing them 9 yrs later.
#harrison stated clearly that no inference can be drawn from an unconfirmed alert...that is NONE....so anyone who draws an inference...ala amaral is displaying a certain degree of ignorance

Offline Mr Gray

That doesn't mean they are dismissed, merely marked as low priority and  put aside in case the situation changes.  - IMO

no inference

Offline Mr Gray

Well let's see if SY take action. 8((()*/

I doubt if SY are aware but i think i will send them an email...they will not take kindly to what he has done...if he had got through to Duthie and shared the recorded phone call i think he would have found himself in some trouble...he doesn't seem very sensible but I am not allowed to call him an idiot
« Last Edit: May 07, 2016, 02:03:41 PM by davel »

Offline G-Unit

It's highly possible that a long list of queries would emerge if SY only had the same witness statements as we have to go on.

However the idea that they would not use their ability to contact the actual witnesses themselves for clarification but instead would behave as we  - (who don't have that ability to make checks with the folk concerned ) do -   is crackers IMO.


I gave reasons why investigators may not always confront witnesses. My opinion is as valid as your opinion that they trot back and forth every time they want clarification of a point. No wonder they needed such a lot of staff if that's how they work lol.

The statements made to the first investigation are there for all to see and read. The idea that a different translator can 'correct' them is crackers imo. OG can ask the witness anything they like but four years after the event it's unlikely that anything new or useful can be remembered.

In this way, at about 21.05 the witness came to the Club, entered the room using his respective key, the door being locked...At about 22.00 it was his wife Kate who went to check on the children. She entered the apartment by the door using the key...
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door.....

He followed the normal route up to the rear door, which being open he only had to move [slide] it, that being the way in which he entered [was entering] the lounge,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm



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Offline Mr Gray



I gave reasons why investigators may not always confront witnesses. My opinion is as valid as your opinion that they trot back and forth every time they want clarification of a point. No wonder they needed such a lot of staff if that's how they work lol.

The statements made to the first investigation are there for all to see and read. The idea that a different translator can 'correct' them is crackers imo. OG can ask the witness anything they like but four years after the event it's unlikely that anything new or useful can be remembered.

In this way, at about 21.05 the witness came to the Club, entered the room using his respective key, the door being locked...At about 22.00 it was his wife Kate who went to check on the children. She entered the apartment by the door using the key...
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door.....

He followed the normal route up to the rear door, which being open he only had to move [slide] it, that being the way in which he entered [was entering] the lounge,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm


it depends how accurate those statements are....I would say they are full of errors due to the fact they have been translated twice and are non verbatim

Offline ShiningInLuz

could you please stick to the facts...i have posted a definition of evidence and also the evidence which supports the fact that the interview will have taken place. You are at liberty to say you do not accept my evidence but please do not continue to post that I have not supplied any...that is unfair and untrue
You have not and cannot supply any evidence.  This may seem unfair to you, but it happens to be true.
What's up, old man?