Author Topic: "We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.  (Read 165304 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

You have not and cannot supply any evidence.  This may seem unfair to you, but it happens to be true.

I have supplied evidence....what you are saying is untrue...you are posting your opinion as fact

Offline jassi

I see we seem to have another, newly arrived, dog expert among us
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline ShiningInLuz

Are you aware that UK police had already conducted extensive interviews with the tapas that were recorded and conducted in english...even though they had these... according to this article they still intended to reinterview the tapas. They had no such interviews with the McCanns...evidence that they would certainly need to interview them.
as Eleanor said...
Of course The McCanns will have been interviewed.
I am aware of the rogatory interviews conducted with the T7 by Leicestershire Police.

You may prefer verbatim statements.  I happen to find David Payne's epic statement roughly the equivalent of having all my teeth pulled out.

So what do you offer this time?  More speculation.  'Of course the McCanns will have been interviewed.'  Supporting evidence - none.

Keep going.  I'm getting to the stage that there is no evidence of such interviews, based on the number of would have/will have/should haves stuffing this exchange, without a single crumb of solid information in sight.
What's up, old man?

Offline Mr Gray

You have not and cannot supply any evidence.  This may seem unfair to you, but it happens to be true.

what is unfair is you posting things that are untrue...you have claimed I am a lone voice.......I am not as I have pointed out to you''

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Offline Mr Gray

I am aware of the rogatory interviews conducted with the T7 by Leicestershire Police.

You may prefer verbatim statements.  I happen to find David Payne's epic statement roughly the equivalent of having all my teeth pulled out.

So what do you offer this time?  More speculation.  'Of course the McCanns will have been interviewed.'  Supporting evidence - none.

Keep going.  I'm getting to the stage that there is no evidence of such interviews, based on the number of would have/will have/should haves stuffing this exchange, without a single crumb of solid information in sight.

How many transcripts of verbatim statements have you seen apart from this case...from your post i would say none.

Verbatim statements are just like that with all the ums and ahs included...that's why they are called verbatim.

i have supplied evidence so again...please stop saying things that are untrue

Offline Mr Gray

I see we seem to have another, newly arrived, dog expert among us

she has more knowledge than amaral which is quite a disgrace

Offline jassi

she has more knowledge than amaral which is quite a disgrace

Another of your 'Facts' or your opinion?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Another of your 'Facts' or your opinion?

its a fact.....have you read what amaral says about the dogs...it is on record and wrong

Offline jassi

its a fact.....have you read what amaral says about the dogs...it is on record and wrong

You know this new poster well, do you?   I'm not interested in Amarals's canine knowledge
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Benice



I gave reasons why investigators may not always confront witnesses. My opinion is as valid as your opinion that they trot back and forth every time they want clarification of a point. No wonder they needed such a lot of staff if that's how they work lol.

The statements made to the first investigation are there for all to see and read. The idea that a different translator can 'correct' them is crackers imo. OG can ask the witness anything they like but four years after the event it's unlikely that anything new or useful can be remembered.

In this way, at about 21.05 the witness came to the Club, entered the room using his respective key, the door being locked...At about 22.00 it was his wife Kate who went to check on the children. She entered the apartment by the door using the key...
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door.....

He followed the normal route up to the rear door, which being open he only had to move [slide] it, that being the way in which he entered [was entering] the lounge,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

But it still doesn't give the reason WHY he changed his statement.   IYO he had been forgetful over which door he used  -  IMO he was correcting a misunderstanding which occurred during his first interview over which door he was referring to.     This was due to the fact that some people referred to the patio doors as the Front Door and the carpark facing door as the Back door and some people did the opposite.

IIRC You don't take into account the state of mind Gerry would be in during that first interview, or the language barrier, - or that it was the first interview for everyone and the PJ officer was not familiar with the layout of 5A.  I do.

Anyway this has all been discussed before at great length G.    However I don't see SY discussing it in the same way as we have  - when they could get the answers from the man himself - and could seek corroboration of those answers with their Oporto counterparts.      As I've already said - SY could have compiled a list of queries which may have emanated from the non verbatim summarised statements - and then interviewed the witnesses themselves to gain clarification in one interview.

Of course it is also a possibility that SY already had the 'clarification' to hand - from amongst the 40,000 docs in their possession.    Info. which we have never seen because it wasn't released to the public.

AIMHO

ps.        I referred to the translator - because he/she was one of the people who was present at the first  interview - and IMO would remember it simply because it WAS their first job to do with this horrendous case.       The translator at the 2nd interview would be aware of the reason Gerry gave for changing his statement - even though that reason was not included in the summarised statement.


« Last Edit: May 07, 2016, 03:40:33 PM by Benice »
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pathfinder73

He knew the exact time that he left 9:04 so how the first timeline was way out they will have to ask him. His times are exact but not which door he used or where he was stood talking to JW. These discrepancies all happened on his long check.  It seems time was important to GM.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline mercury

You have made a false assumption..a false speculatiom


where in this report does it say that SY was not at the stage of interviewing anyone...what evidence do you have to support that...none...you are unfortunately now making things up

Perhaps try reading the article in full before accusing people of making things up....it is actually quite easy to spot as it is highlighted

There you go, to save you searching
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/58feb12/EXPRESS_05_02_2012.htm
« Last Edit: May 07, 2016, 10:21:37 PM by mercury »

Offline Eleanor

IYO of course, but not evidenced

It doesn't actually have to be.

Offline Brietta

According to the Express, the McCanns had a series of meetings with Scotland Yard prior to Madeleine's case being reopened.

I would imagine that at the first or one of the first meetings a formal interview would have been on the agenda, particularly as reviewing witness statements formed part of the initial remit.


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The McCanns met members of the London-based squad several times before the Portuguese meeting.

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The family source said: “Kate and Gerry have had several meetings with police reviewing their daughter’s case. They know the officers have a difficult task ahead but they feel positive. They have been told that if something has been missed they will find it. They are relieved that something is finally happening.

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The review is still in its very early stages. Officers are busy going through everything from scratch and analysing it.

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The team is currently sifting through 20,000 pages of evidence assembled by Portuguese detectives. They will review witness statements, make a fresh appeal for ­information and carefully re-check alibis.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/270093/Thirty-British-police-in-new-Madeleine-McCann-hunt

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

According to the Express, the McCanns had a series of meetings with Scotland Yard prior to Madeleine's case being reopened.

I would imagine that at the first or one of the first meetings a formal interview would have been on the agenda, particularly as reviewing witness statements formed part of the initial remit.


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The McCanns met members of the London-based squad several times before the Portuguese meeting.

**  **
The family source said: “Kate and Gerry have had several meetings with police reviewing their daughter’s case. They know the officers have a difficult task ahead but they feel positive. They have been told that if something has been missed they will find it. They are relieved that something is finally happening.

**  **
The review is still in its very early stages. Officers are busy going through everything from scratch and analysing it.

**  **
The team is currently sifting through 20,000 pages of evidence assembled by Portuguese detectives. They will review witness statements, make a fresh appeal for ­information and carefully re-check alibis.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/270093/Thirty-British-police-in-new-Madeleine-McCann-hunt

The Express, that bastion of truth and honesty  @)(++(*
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