Author Topic: "We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.  (Read 190722 times)

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Offline pegasus

Here's a reconstruction you can do.
Imagine if right now, in the middle of the night, suddenly you hear someone outside opening the window of the room you are in ...

Offline G-Unit

Perhaps this will help clarify things for you misty :

"the Reconstitution

Taking into account that there were certain points in the arguidos' and witnesses' statements that revealed, apparently at least, contradiction or that lacked physical confirmation, it was decided to carry out the "reconstitution of the fact", a diligence that is consecrated in article 150 of the Penal Process Code in the sense of duly clarifying, on the very location of the facts , the following very important details, among others:

1 - The physical, real and effective proximity between Jane Tanner, Gerald McCann and Jeremy Wilkins, at the moment when the first person walked by them, and which coincided with the sighting of the supposed suspect, carrying a child. It results, in our perspective, strange that neither Gerald McCann nor Jeremy Wilkins saw her, or the alleged abductor, despite the exiguity of the space and the peacefulness of the area;

2 - The situation concerning the window to the bedroom where Madeleine slept, together with the twins, which was open, according to Kate. It seemed then necessary to clarify if there was a draught, since movement of the curtains and pressure under the bedroom door are mentioned, which, eventually, could be verified through the reconstitution;

3 - The establishment of a timeline and of a line of effective checking on the minors that were left alone in the apartments, given that, if it is believed that such checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, at least, very difficult to reunite conditions for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said abductor, with the child, namely through a window with scarce space. It is added that the supposed abductor could only pass, through that window, holding the minor in a different position (vertical) from the one that witness JANE TANNER saw (horizontal);

4 - What happened during the time lapse between approximately 6.45/7 p.m. - the time at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time, in her apartment, by a different person (David Payne) from her parents or siblings - and the time at which the disappearance is reported by Kate Healy - at around 10 p.m.;

5 - The obvious and well-known advantages of immediate appreciation of evidence, or in other words, the fulfilment of the principle of contiguity of evidence in order to form a conviction, as firm as possible, about what was seen by Jane Tanner and the other interposers, and, eventually, to dismiss once and for all any doubts that may subsist concerning the innocence of the missing [child's] parents."

The PJ weren't convinced that there was time for an abduction at 9.15pm if the group's timeline was correct. I don't think OG were either; they moved it to after 9.30pm where a 15 minute gap can be found.

That was a master stroke as it also eliminated any need to explain why Jane wasn't seen by Gerry and Jez, and it explained why Matthew didn't notice the open curtains, window and shutter.
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Offline Brietta

The PJ weren't convinced that there was time for an abduction at 9.15pm if the group's timeline was correct. I don't think OG were either; they moved it to after 9.30pm where a 15 minute gap can be found.

That was a master stroke as it also eliminated any need to explain why Jane wasn't seen by Gerry and Jez, and it explained why Matthew didn't notice the open curtains, window and shutter.

Then of course the police would be able to bring back another key witness from wherever it is he is hiding himself ...

MADELEINE: WITNESS GOES ON THE RUN ‘TO PROTECT HIS EVIDENCE’
Tuesday December 18, 2007
By David Pilditch in Praia da Luz
THE key witness in the missing Madeleine McCann case was in hiding last night after fleeing Portugal.
Police have sworn the waiter to secrecy over his vital testimony and know where he is.
http://truthformadeleine.com/2007/12/madeleine-witness-goes-on-the-run-%E2%80%98to-protect-his-evidence%E2%80%99/

Oh ... and apparently 'swearing the waiter to secrecy'  didn't work too well as the article goes on to tell us what he said and what suspicions were harboured by the police in the media propaganda war directed against the McCanns.

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  ... But the waiter is understood to have told police Kate raised the alarm from the apartment balcony  75 yards away, screaming: “They’ve taken her. They’ve taken her.’’ ...
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Then of course the police would be able to bring back another key witness from wherever it is he is hiding himself ...

MADELEINE: WITNESS GOES ON THE RUN ‘TO PROTECT HIS EVIDENCE’
Tuesday December 18, 2007
By David Pilditch in Praia da Luz
THE key witness in the missing Madeleine McCann case was in hiding last night after fleeing Portugal.
Police have sworn the waiter to secrecy over his vital testimony and know where he is.
http://truthformadeleine.com/2007/12/madeleine-witness-goes-on-the-run-%E2%80%98to-protect-his-evidence%E2%80%99/

Oh ... and apparently 'swearing the waiter to secrecy'  didn't work too well as the article goes on to tell us what he said and what suspicions were harboured by the police in the media propaganda war directed against the McCanns.

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  ... But the waiter is understood to have told police Kate raised the alarm from the apartment balcony  75 yards away, screaming: “They’ve taken her. They’ve taken her.’’ ...

Is that load of uninformed incorrect gossip relevant to what I posted? I was discussing the timeline I think.
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Offline Mr Gray

Here's a reconstruction you can do.
Imagine if right now, in the middle of the night, suddenly you hear someone outside opening the window of the room you are in ...

young children sleep very deeply after  a busy day...remember the twins

Offline G-Unit

young children sleep very deeply after  a busy day...remember the twins

Who continued with a similar regime after Madeleine's disappearance, but not with the same results. They were harder to get to sleep and more likely to wake up. Some might think it was due to the fact that they went to sleep one night with their sister and never saw her again, but that should have affected them immediately I would have thought. The very next night they were cared for and put to bed by a complete stranger, but they didn't seem to mind.
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Offline Carana

Who continued with a similar regime after Madeleine's disappearance, but not with the same results. They were harder to get to sleep and more likely to wake up. Some might think it was due to the fact that they went to sleep one night with their sister and never saw her again, but that should have affected them immediately I would have thought. The very next night they were cared for and put to bed by a complete stranger, but they didn't seem to mind.

Who was the complete stranger?

The children were a very important part of events that night. Why didn't the PJ want them there?
Good point.

stephen25000

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Good point.

I presume you mean the Mccann's.

Haven't we been told they were asleep ? 8**8:/:

The children were all very young and most were asleep. What could they possibly have added to the reconstitution ?
How would they reconstruct the scene in the apartment without children or actors playing the children? It makes no sense to need the actual parents for the scene but exclude all the children.

stephen25000

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How would they reconstruct the scene in the apartment without children or actors playing the children? It makes no sense to need the actual parents for the scene but exclude all the children.

Why ?

We have been told the children were asleep.

...and precisely which children would you use for a re-enactment ?

They would have to be of the same age, would they not.

Offline mercury

How would they reconstruct the scene in the apartment without children or actors playing the children? It makes no sense to need the actual parents for the scene but exclude all the children.

For the very simple fact that the other children were asleep, they were nt awake or involved in any actionz, they have made no statements, the adults were not, and did,...you only need a pair of dolls to simulate being in deep slumber. The actual question should be why WOULD the other children be required...back to front

Offline Alice Purjorick

How would they reconstruct the scene in the apartment without children or actors playing the children? It makes no sense to need the actual parents for the scene but exclude all the children.

It would seem you are unaware of the objective of a reconstitution.
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Offline G-Unit

Who was the complete stranger?

Emma Knight.
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For the very simple fact that the other children were asleep, they were nt awake or involved in any actionz, they have made no statements, the adults were not, and did,...you only need a pair of dolls to simulate being in deep slumber. The actual question should be why WOULD the other children be required...back to front
What about when they were constructing the sighting by Jane Tanner? Plus,  would they need the actual staff on duty too? It would have made more sense to do a reconstruction at the time not request one a year later.