"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[Countess Mayberry]

It would seem you are unaware of the objective of a reconstitution.

I understand perfectly that the PJ wanted the Tapas group, without their children, to reenact the evening Madleine went missing. It should have been done as close to the date was possible not avoided because of potential risk to tourism. I really don't understand the need to reenact your police statement. They usually use actors.

[pathfinder73]

8:58 Matt listening check - shutters closed no sound.

9:04 Gerry checks and find the kids bedroom door half-open

Who moved the door before Gerry's check? Tannerman isn't spotted until later after Jane leaves to check at 9:10.

Gerry talking with Jes happened later so that didn't wake Madeleine up to move the door.

Who moved the door? For Tannerman to be involved he had to be inside the apartment when Gerry checked. Gerry put the door back to ajar.

Matt comes next and finds the door amazing is half-open again and everything was quiet - no draughts or fluttering curtains. I conclude the window was still closed at 9:30 so Tannerman is ruled out but it doesn't explain who moved the door before Gerry checked and found Madeleine still asleep in the same position according to his statement. Madeleine never normally awoke until the early morning hours according to the parents.

Until you work out this first door move you won't solve it IMO.

[Alice Purjorick]

I understand perfectly that the PJ wanted the Tapas group, without their children, to reenact the evening Madleine went missing. It should have been done as close to the date was possible not avoided because of potential risk to tourism. I really don't understand the need to reenact your police statement. They usually use actors.

That statement presupposes you have first hand experience of more than one reconstitution under Portuguese law.
Have you? If so which cases and at which locations?

[mercury]

What about when they were constructing the sighting by Jane Tanner? Plus,  would they need the actual staff on duty too? It would have made more sense to do a reconstruction at the time not request one a year later.

??
Do you mean the van surveillance of Murat?

[mercury]

8:58 Matt listening check - shutters closed no sound.

9:04 Gerry checks and find the kids bedroom door half-open

Who moved the door before Gerry's check? Tannerman isn't spotted until later after Jane leaves to check at 9:10.

Gerry talking with Jes happened later so that didn't wake Madeleine up to move the door.

Who moved the door? For Tannerman to be involved he had to be inside the apartment when Gerry checked. Gerry put the door back to ajar.

Matt comes next and finds the door amazing is half-open again and everything was quiet - no draughts or fluttering curtains. I conclude the window was still closed at 9:30 so Tannerman is ruled out but it doesn't explain who moved the door before Gerry checked and found Madeleine still asleep in the same position according to his statement. Madeleine never normally awoke until the early morning hours according to the parents.

Until you work out this first door move you won't solve it IMO.

-The child went to loo after parents left and before first check
-abductor in apartment but clashes with entry via window and shutter which he wouldnt have had time to close on hearing someone coming in to check, and will have been heard too, but if he entered with a key thats different
-Door wasnt more open

[ShiningInLuz]

I understand perfectly that the PJ wanted the Tapas group, without their children, to reenact the evening Madleine went missing. It should have been done as close to the date was possible not avoided because of potential risk to tourism. I really don't understand the need to reenact your police statement. They usually use actors.

I'm not an expert in this, so please take it as my opinion.

It is my understanding that a reconstitution uses the original participants, and is quite different to a reconstruction, such as Crimewatch 2013, which used actors.

If you want to see an example of what happens, look at Peter Smith in the files.  In his verbal interview he gives one event of the night.  In the photo reconstitution, it comes out quite a bit different.  Any actors would have got it wrong using his statement as a script.

[Mr Gray]

I'm not an expert in this, so please take it as my opinion.

It is my understanding that a reconstitution uses the original participants, and is quite different to a reconstruction, such as Crimewatch 2013, which used actors.

If you want to see an example of what happens, look at Peter Smith in the files.  In his verbal interview he gives one event of the night.  In the photo reconstitution, it comes out quite a bit different.  Any actors would have got it wrong using his statement as a script.

what evidence do you have to support that statement

[ShiningInLuz]

what evidence do you have to support that statement

You see my first sentence, where I make it clear it is my opinion?

From memory, Joanna Morais posted on the difference between reconstitution, an act carried out in private (away from the media), by the original participants, with the intent of allowing the police a better understanding.

And a reconstruction, with actors working from scripts, much as a theatre production.

Two entirely different beasts.

[Mr Gray]

You see my first sentence, where I make it clear it is my opinion?

From memory, Joanna Morais posted on the difference between reconstitution, an act carried out in private (away from the media), by the original participants, with the intent of allowing the police a better understanding.

And a reconstruction, with actors working from scripts, much as a theatre production.

Two entirely different beasts.

so your opinion is based on morais opinion...is that it

[jassi]

Your opinion is based on whatever you like - it is, after all, merely an opinion.

[Mr Gray]

You see my first sentence, where I make it clear it is my opinion?

From memory, Joanna Morais posted on the difference between reconstitution, an act carried out in private (away from the media), by the original participants, with the intent of allowing the police a better understanding.

And a reconstruction, with actors working from scripts, much as a theatre production.

Two entirely different beasts.

the title of the thread...reconstruction...asking for the actual poeple to take part

[ShiningInLuz]

so your opinion is based on morais opinion...is that it

Critical point, I made clear it was my opinion.  Whereas you have pumped out post after post without the good grace to make it clear yours are your opinion.

There are people in Portugal who know more about the civil and criminal codes than I do.

I tend to take note of people who know more than I do.

[Mr Gray]

Critical point, I made clear it was my opinion.  Whereas you have pumped out post after post without the good grace to make it clear yours are your opinion.

There are people in Portugal who know more about the civil and criminal codes than I do.

I tend to take note of people who know more than I do.

amaral has asked for a RECONSTRUCTION....and asked the McCanns to attend...does that tell you anything..

[ShiningInLuz]

amaral has asked for a RECONSTRUCTION....and asked the McCanns to attend...does that tell you anything..

Nope.

T9 to attend.  Why if they can use actors?

Wilkins to attend.  Ditto.

Crèchman to attend.  Hardly needed in a staged play, is he?

Smithman.  OK, someone will have to play Smithman.  I hope they get the script right.

The Smiths.  3 to go back?  9 to go back?  Or actors with scripts?

[Mr Gray]

Nope.

T9 to attend.  Why if they can use actors?

Wilkins to attend.  Ditto.

Crèchman to attend.  Hardly needed in a staged play, is he?

Smithman.  OK, someone will have to play Smithman.  I hope they get the script right.

The Smiths.  3 to go back?  9 to go back?  Or actors with scripts?

I have never heard of a reconstitution in the UK ...only reconstruction.....have you