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Offline pegasus

I wonder whether they got it? - or is that a secret ?  8(0(*
I doubt they would turn up wearing big badges saying "Look at me I'm an SIS agent".
They would probably use a cunning disguise that fooled everyone.

stephen25000

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Not to mention the spooks lurking about all over the place ...

PJ sem pistas vai ter ajuda das secretas

Alexandra Serôdio, Carlos Varela e Marisa Rodrigues
AP

Três dias depois do desaparecimento da pequena Madeleine do aldeamento Ocean Club, na Praia da Luz, Lagos, a investigação ganha novos reforços, num derradeiro esforço para descobrir a menina de três anos. Ontem, a Polícia Judiciária pediu o auxílio do SIS, que já trabalha em consonância com os serviços de informações espanhóis e britânicos.
Alexandra Serôdio , Carlos Varela and Marisa Rodrigues

Clueless PJ to get secret help
Three days after the disappearance of little Madeleine 's Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz , Lagos , research gains new reinforcements , in a last effort to find the girl of three years. Yesterday, the Judicial Police requested the assistance of the SIS , which already works closely with the Spanish and British intelligence services .


Looks like the Portuguese were 'innit' too.

What about the 'clueless' SY ?

Offline Brietta

What about the 'clueless' SY ?

"Clueless" is quite obviously just a quirk of Google translate ... meaning the PJ had nothing to go on, so they did absolutely the correct thing and called in those with the connections and resources to assist them.

The point I was making was the paranoia which has gone the rounds over the allegation about the involvement of British Secret Services ... when actually the Portuguese Secret Services were dealing with the situation from three days into the investigation.  Rightly so, in my opinion.

The list of potential participants in a reconstruction just seems to be growing and growing.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

"Clueless" is quite obviously just a quirk of Google translate ... meaning the PJ had nothing to go on, so they did absolutely the correct thing and called in those with the connections and resources to assist them.

The point I was making was the paranoia which has gone the rounds over the allegation about the involvement of British Secret Services ... when actually the Portuguese Secret Services were dealing with the situation from three days into the investigation.  Rightly so, in my opinion.

The list of potential participants in a reconstruction just seems to be growing and growing.

A better translation would have been "ignorant" in it's wider sense.
Jeez I use that word so often doing what I do, but would hate to use it on here I'd get jumped on  @)(++(*
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stephen25000

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"Clueless" is quite obviously just a quirk of Google translate ... meaning the PJ had nothing to go on, so they did absolutely the correct thing and called in those with the connections and resources to assist them.

The point I was making was the paranoia which has gone the rounds over the allegation about the involvement of British Secret Services ... when actually the Portuguese Secret Services were dealing with the situation from three days into the investigation.  Rightly so, in my opinion.

The list of potential participants in a reconstruction just seems to be growing and growing.

The use of 'clueless' was intended.

No doubt about it.

How would the UK press and residents of the UK perceive criticism of SY as being 'clueless' by the foreign press ?


Offline Mr Gray

The use of 'clueless' was intended.

No doubt about it.

How would the UK press and residents of the UK perceive criticism of SY as being 'clueless' by the foreign press ?
discredit where it's due

Offline Carana

A better translation would have been "ignorant" in it's wider sense.
Jeez I use that word so often doing what I do, but would hate to use it on here I'd get jumped on  @)(++(*

"sem pistas" = without leads.

stephen25000

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discredit where it's due

Indeed. £12 million of tax payers money down the drain and nothing to show for it.

Glad we agree.

Offline Lace

Indeed. £12 million of tax payers money down the drain and nothing to show for it.

Glad we agree.

If SY don't find Madeleine,  then it wouldn't be because they haven't tried their best would it?   They are exhausting every lead there is and are still investigating.   All you seem to think about is the money being spent,  when if it was your child or anyone connected to you it would be a different story.   Even if SY were investigating the McCann's instead of abduction it would be a different story wouldn't it?   As all you care about is getting back at the McCann's not finding Madeleine.

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If SY don't find Madeleine,  then it wouldn't be because they haven't tried their best would it?   They are exhausting every lead there is and are still investigating.   All you seem to think about is the money being spent,  when if it was your child or anyone connected to you it would be a different story.   Even if SY were investigating the McCann's instead of abduction it would be a different story wouldn't it?   As all you care about is getting back at the McCann's not finding Madeleine.

They have gone no further than the PJ in their original investigation.

..and no, I am not obsessed by money, but we know which two people are.

Offline G-Unit

If SY don't find Madeleine,  then it wouldn't be because they haven't tried their best would it?   They are exhausting every lead there is and are still investigating.   All you seem to think about is the money being spent,  when if it was your child or anyone connected to you it would be a different story.   Even if SY were investigating the McCann's instead of abduction it would be a different story wouldn't it?   As all you care about is getting back at the McCann's not finding Madeleine.

If SY don't find Madeleine it could be because their remit was to look for an abductor. If so, then they didn't fully investigate her disappearance and the money spent was wasted.

If it was my child I would be very upset if it was rumoured that the review I fought for wasn't investigating all possibilities. I would lobby SY to make their remit absolutely clear so as to squash the rumours once and for all.

Your opinions are based firmly on the assumption that the McCanns were correct when they insisted that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger. A lot of other people aren't convinced. I don't know who's right but I prefer my position of questioning everything to the position of those who spend all their time defending an unverified story; usually by suggesting what could have happened without any evidence or facts which support their imaginings. Often there is evidence or there are facts which actually contradict or cast serious doubt on these attempts.

The timeline is a good example of something which can be questioned. The PJ doubted it, but didn't research it further. Others such as Mark Williams-Thomas have mentioned that it wasn't verified. SY seem to have gone with the T9 version, although I can't see how they could verify it when they began to investigate the case without interviewing people in Portugal whom they don't seem to have interviewed.

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Offline jassi

They have gone no further than the PJ in their original investigation.

..and no, I am not obsessed by money, but we know which two people are.

So it would seem.

It's not clear if they really had any 'new' leads, or just going over old ground, but they don't seem to have advanced from when they finished the review stage.
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Three of them did.

Peter Smith who was walking ahead with his wife and family;  Martin Smith who was behind and walking with his wife Mary;  Aoife Smith who was bringing up the rear.

Unfortunately the Policia Judiciaria were not informed of the sighting until thirteen days after the event.
13 days?
Martin Smith did not make his witness statement until after the Mccanns returned to Britain. That is over 3 months later.

Offline G-Unit

13 days?
Martin Smith did not make his witness statement until after the Mccanns returned to Britain. That is over 3 months later.

Lots of information can be found here;

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm
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Offline ShiningInLuz

13 days?
Martin Smith did not make his witness statement until after the Mccanns returned to Britain. That is over 3 months later.
The 3 initial Smith statements are dated 26 May 2007 and were given in Portugal.
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