"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[pathfinder73]

If Madeleine was handed through the window, that could be done without leaving a mark.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9035.msg441668#msg441668

Not enough room unless an intruder puts his left foot on the bed. They checked the bed for prints - negative. That window was narrow - evidence would have been left if she went though it.
 

[Carana]

Not enough room unless an intruder puts his left foot on the bed. They checked the bed for prints - negative. That window was narrow - evidence would have been left if she went though it.
 

I can't quite work out if it was that photo that Matt was shown or a different one. Had the PJ moved anything in the room when that was taken or not?

 4078 'Okay'.

Reply 'Erm, then as you approach this, because of this wall here, you approach the room pretty much, you had to go in from that angle, so you get a clear view right into the middle of the room. And one of the things that completely floored me in the, in the interview, the second interview there, they showed me a picture and they showed a picture of the two cots, you know, there's wardrobes along this side, slap bang on the right here, and they said, well how can you see it, I think maybe it was an aguish thing at the time, but I couldn't quite get at what they were, what they were really asking me, I mean, how, because they showed me this picture and you kind of accept it as this is the real situation and it took a while to, well, no, actually, the actual, the original Police Force actually moved them when they cleared the room, they moved them out the way, but, you know, I presume it was just a sort of, a sort of technique within the questioning to sort of make you unsettled, but it was sort of quite unsettling, along with this picture of where the shutters are. But, erm, you know, you wouldn't, the cots were in the middle of the room and of course, you know, there's no way you'd put them at the side, you know, to put your children in and be able to walk round and get them from both sides. But you walk from here and I probably got to about here, erm, you know, to the room'.

 

00.35.30 4078 'So you didn't cross the threshold''

Reply 'No'.

 

4078 'And you say the cots were in the middle of the room''

Reply 'Yeah'.

 

4078 'What angles were they at''

Reply 'Erm, you could definitely see, see the sides, so they're either along, I think because of the angle that you approach it, I think they were just, you know, in the line with the long axis of the room, but there was a gap between the two and the sides are mesh, erm'.

 

4078 (inaudible)

Reply 'Yeah (inaudible)'.

 

4078 'So you saw the sides. Do you remember which way the children were facing in the cots''

Reply 'No, it was just, you could just see the shape and bits of breathing'.

4078 'Okay'.

 

Reply 'I mean, I, for some reason I imagine that the children's heads were towards the, towards the window, but I don't know whether that's just because I assume that's the way I would put them down'.

 

00.36.22 4078 'Yeah'.

Reply 'Because I've seen it. I don't think I could see that much, the view'.

 

4078 'You can't remember''

Reply 'You could see the shapes and you could see they were breathing, you'd stop and look and you could see they were sort of breathing, but in terms of sort of features and standing over and seeing where their heads were, and I couldn't say whether it was Sean or Amelie that was closest, it was just sort of, erm, sort of children in cots'.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[Wonderfulspam]

Maybe Kate moved the cots when she searched the wardrobe, or one of the other T9 did when they were messing with shutters & looking in drawers.

[kizzy]

Looking at the position, of bed and cots.

It still amazes me, how you can get three tots asleep at the same time.

[faithlilly]

I can't quite work out if it was that photo that Matt was shown or a different one. Had the PJ moved anything in the room when that was taken or not?

 4078 'Okay'.

Reply 'Erm, then as you approach this, because of this wall here, you approach the room pretty much, you had to go in from that angle, so you get a clear view right into the middle of the room. And one of the things that completely floored me in the, in the interview, the second interview there, they showed me a picture and they showed a picture of the two cots, you know, there's wardrobes along this side, slap bang on the right here, and they said, well how can you see it, I think maybe it was an aguish thing at the time, but I couldn't quite get at what they were, what they were really asking me, I mean, how, because they showed me this picture and you kind of accept it as this is the real situation and it took a while to, well, no, actually, the actual, the original Police Force actually moved them when they cleared the room, they moved them out the way, but, you know, I presume it was just a sort of, a sort of technique within the questioning to sort of make you unsettled, but it was sort of quite unsettling, along with this picture of where the shutters are. But, erm, you know, you wouldn't, the cots were in the middle of the room and of course, you know, there's no way you'd put them at the side, you know, to put your children in and be able to walk round and get them from both sides. But you walk from here and I probably got to about here, erm, you know, to the room'.

 

00.35.30 4078 'So you didn't cross the threshold''

Reply 'No'.

 

4078 'And you say the cots were in the middle of the room''

Reply 'Yeah'.

 

4078 'What angles were they at''

Reply 'Erm, you could definitely see, see the sides, so they're either along, I think because of the angle that you approach it, I think they were just, you know, in the line with the long axis of the room, but there was a gap between the two and the sides are mesh, erm'.

 

4078 (inaudible)

Reply 'Yeah (inaudible)'.

 

4078 'So you saw the sides. Do you remember which way the children were facing in the cots''

Reply 'No, it was just, you could just see the shape and bits of breathing'.

4078 'Okay'.

 

Reply 'I mean, I, for some reason I imagine that the children's heads were towards the, towards the window, but I don't know whether that's just because I assume that's the way I would put them down'.

 

00.36.22 4078 'Yeah'.

Reply 'Because I've seen it. I don't think I could see that much, the view'.

 

4078 'You can't remember''

Reply 'You could see the shapes and you could see they were breathing, you'd stop and look and you could see they were sort of breathing, but in terms of sort of features and standing over and seeing where their heads were, and I couldn't say whether it was Sean or Amelie that was closest, it was just sort of, erm, sort of children in cots'.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

So when closer than Oldfield Kate couldn't tell whether the shape she saw in the bed was Madeleine but Oldfield could see the twins breathing. How is that possible ?

[Wonderfulspam]

Yes, Kate couldn't tell if some flat bedclothes were Maddie or not. Despite the window shutters now being open, but the curatains closed.....or were they open?

Suppose it depends which version of the truth you want to believe.

[faithlilly]

Yes, Kate couldn't tell if some flat bedclothes were Maddie or not. Despite the window shutters now being open, but the curatains closed.....or were they open?

Suppose it depends which version of the truth you want to believe.

Indeed. Gerry without dint of the shutter being opened had his 'proud father' moment where he thought how beautiful Madeleine was ( notice not the twins ) yet Kate with the shutter open couldn't make out Madeleine in the same place. Hmmmm does make you think.

[Carana]

Yes, Kate couldn't tell if some flat bedclothes were Maddie or not. Despite the window shutters now being open, but the curatains closed.....or were they open?

Suppose it depends which version of the truth you want to believe.

Kate 4 May
At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

(The 6 Sept interview stopped at the point of entering via the verandah and then it was arguido day.)

In the PT original statement (line 93) it says "cortinas afastadas".

Collins:

afastado
afastada [afasˈtadu, a]
adjective
1. (distante) remote
2. (isolado) secluded
3. (pernas) apart
4. (amigo) distant
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/portuguese-english/afastado

Linguee gives a variety of possibilities, generally around the idea of removed:
https://www.linguee.com/portuguese-english/translation/afastado.html

I can only ever recall Kate describing that the curtains "whooshed". How would that lady who was interpreting have understood that if that's how Kate described them that day? Did she think it meant that they had been pushed to the side, or that they came inwards with a gust of wind?

[Wonderfulspam]

Kate 4 May
At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

(The 6 Sept interview stopped at the point of entering via the verandah and then it was arguido day.)

In the PT original statement (line 93) it says "cortinas afastadas".

Collins:

afastado
afastada [afasˈtadu, a]
adjective
1. (distante) remote
2. (isolado) secluded
3. (pernas) apart
4. (amigo) distant
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/portuguese-english/afastado

Linguee gives a variety of possibilities, generally around the idea of removed:
https://www.linguee.com/portuguese-english/translation/afastado.html

I can only ever recall Kate describing that the curtains "whooshed". How would that lady who was interpreting have understood that if that's how Kate described them that day? Did she think it meant that they had been pushed to the side, or that they came inwards with a gust of wind?

She must have had trouble translating the slamming door aswell...

[kizzy]

She must have had trouble translating the slamming door aswell...

Exactly, the door would have slammed shut.

[faithlilly]

Kate 4 May
At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

(The 6 Sept interview stopped at the point of entering via the verandah and then it was arguido day.)

In the PT original statement (line 93) it says "cortinas afastadas".

Collins:

afastado
afastada [afasˈtadu, a]
adjective
1. (distante) remote
2. (isolado) secluded
3. (pernas) apart
4. (amigo) distant
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/portuguese-english/afastado

Linguee gives a variety of possibilities, generally around the idea of removed:
https://www.linguee.com/portuguese-english/translation/afastado.html

I can only ever recall Kate describing that the curtains "whooshed". How would that lady who was interpreting have understood that if that's how Kate described them that day? Did she think it meant that they had been pushed to the side, or that they came inwards with a gust of wind?

The luck of the McCanns huh 

[Carana]

The luck of the McCanns huh 

How many PT speakers would understand what "whoosh" meant, if ever that's what she did say?

[faithlilly]

How many PT speakers would understand what "whoosh" meant, if ever that's what she did say?

We have no idea if she said whoosh so I'm not sure of the point you are trying to make.

[kizzy]

No one is sure what happened, and what didnt.

The knowledge some claim to have on here, is not worth, anything.

All your left with imo, is the massive amount of consistencies.

That has never been explained, a reconstruction should have been done.

You would have thought the mccanns would have wanted to know who was where.

As often imo its friends or family that are usually involved, in abduction. [you would trust no one]

Yet here we are 10 year on and nothing has changed.

Not one bit of evidence of abduction,and what ever said the mccanns were not cleared, of any involvement. imo.

[Carana]

We have no idea if she said whoosh so I'm not sure of the point you are trying to make.

No, I know we don't know what she said. That's precisely my point. lol

In all the TV interviews I've seen, I'm fairly sure that that's how she described it, with a hand motion miming it.

IF that's what she meant, I can't think of a different word to convey that sense that would be understandable to a non-native English speaker. I might be able to at some point, but not under that kind of stress.