"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[Brietta]

After entering the apartment and stating that she probably wouldn't have checked inside the children's bedroom had the door not 'suddenly slammed' as she went to return it to 'the position they'd left it in'. She THEN goes on to state she found the window and shutters open, cold, icy fear, no please no etc ad nauseum..... She even says she checked if the patio door WAS shut - it was.


1-An exterior door to be open

2-An interior door to be open. PLUS:

3-An interior window OR another exterior door to be open.

In k mccann account only' only 2 of the 3 conditions apply.

Therefore, however windy it was, the door should have slammed the moment k mccann entered the patio, not a minute or so later.

Doesn't it require the suction of a through-draft to pull a door shut.

 I have NEVER known a door to slam in the circumstances she described.

post IMO

What is your experience of the exact circumstances that were described?

I have experienced slamming doors at home on numerous occasions for a variety of obvious reasons and also for no obvious reason at all.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Wouldn't you have thought if the curtains whooshed, they would have landed on the bed.

Not perfectly positioned themselves, like on the photos

Indeed, but let's not bother about that...

Oh that will be that false memory thingy ma jig.. you know- what did happen didn't happen, and what didn't happen did happen.. in that bit of the brain that give off them false memory whatsits. what an affliction to have, them being  pure dead clever and middle /upper class an all. Scarie.

[kizzy]

Indeed, but let's not bother about that...

Oh that will be that false memory thingy ma jig.. you know- what did happen didn't happen, and what didn't happen did happen.. in that bit of the brain that give off them false memory whatsits. what an affliction to have, them being  pure dead clever and middle /upper class an all. Scarie.

Lets not forget that the slamming door and whooshing curtains do not feature in any police statement.

The PJ and SY were and are trying to piece together what happened, trying to find Madeleine, without having this vital piece of evidence.

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The only people Kate has told are TV companies and the whole world in the book, but that is not evidence.
For that it needs to be on paper in a Police statement, with the force of the introductory rubric

This statement is true. I make it knowing that if it is tendered in evidence I am liable for prosecution if I have stated in it anything I know to be false, or do not believe to be true.. . Signed .........."
And that she has never done.
And probably never will.imo

[Miss Taken Identity]

Lets not forget that the slamming door and whooshing curtains do not feature in any police statement.

The PJ and SY were and are trying to piece together what happened, trying to find Madeleine, without having this vital piece of evidence.

!
The only people Kate has told are TV companies and the whole world in the book, but that is not evidence.
For that it needs to be on paper in a Police statement, with the force of the introductory rubric

This statement is true. I make it knowing that if it is tendered in evidence I am liable for prosecution if I have stated in it anything I know to be false, or do not believe to be true.. . Signed .........."
And that she has never done.
And probably never will.imo

Yes, it was more animated when the camera was rolling in that'production'. It would be very interesting to see that scenario reconstructed.

[kizzy]

What is your experience of the exact circumstances that were described?

I have experienced slamming doors at home on numerous occasions for a variety of obvious reasons and also for no obvious reason at all.

Try front door open, back door opens - middle door slams shut.

Front door open, back door closed - middle door stays open.- exactly where it was

When she says the door was open wider, than when she left.

How would she know that, when checks was done, before hers.

How did she know how, they had left the door.

[Robittybob1]

Try front door open, back door opens - middle door slams shut.

Front door open, back door closed - middle door stays open.- exactly where it was

When she says the door was open wider, than when she left.

How would she know that, when checks was done, before hers.

How did she know how, they had left the door.

Doesn't matter it was more open than when she left.  She decides to close it, it slams, ....  All true IMO.

[jassi]

Doesn't matter it was more open than when she left.  She decides to close it, it slams, ....  All true IMO.

Yes, but it shouldn't have any significance for her, as others have been in since she left. Therefore there is no reason for her to mention it.

[Robittybob1]

Yes, but it shouldn't have any significance for her, as others have been in since she left. Therefore there is no reason for her to mention it.

Irrespective of whether you think it is important she is relating the chain of thoughts that went through her head, even after that NZ wine and the wine on the table and the exhausting run in the afternoon. 
She was thinking and she remembered her thoughts, her actions and the consequences.

[slartibartfast]

Irrespective of whether you think it is important she is relating the chain of thoughts that went through her head, even after that NZ wine and the wine on the table and the exhausting run in the afternoon. 
She was thinking and she remembered her thoughts, her actions and the consequences.

Or corroborative detail?

[Robittybob1]

Or corroborative detail?

Well if the detail fits one would think it is the right picture, the jigsaw pieces fit.

It is the hoops that Matt and Russell go through that worry me.  "Probably" open gates and "possibly" shut others.  I think they are the ones that need the attention and how can they PJ reconstruct that gate neither open or shut but based on probability.

[pathfinder73]

" I went back and did the check on five 'A', on Madeleine and the kids, erm, and went back through the patio entrance, so through the gate, through the patio doors." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[Alice Purjorick]

What is your experience of the exact circumstances that were described?

I have experienced slamming doors at home on numerous occasions for a variety of obvious reasons and also for no obvious reason at all.

A door will always move for one obvious reason. It is called Newton's First Law of Motion.....i.e a force is applied to the door. What produces the force and how the force is applied is up for grabs.
Ready steady Google 

[Robittybob1]

" I went back and did the check on five 'A', on Madeleine and the kids, erm, and went back through the patio entrance, so through the gate, through the patio doors." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

OK the important clue for me there was "but certainly the curtains were shut and everything was quiet'."  Later a Kate's check the curtains are open.  The event happened after Matt's check IMO based on that clue. 

So why the uncertainty about whether the gates were open or shut in the agreed time line?

[barrier]

A door will always move for one obvious reason. It is called Newton's First Law of Motion.....i.e a force is applied to the door. What produces the force and how the force is applied is up for grabs.
Ready steady Google 

Well we know one thing  the third law didn't produce when the door slammed,it didn't wake the twins.

[jassi]

OK the important clue for me there was "but certainly the curtains were shut and everything was quiet'."  Later a Kate's check the curtains are open.  The event happened after Matt's check IMO based on that clue. 

So why the uncertainty about whether the gates were open or shut in the agreed time line?

So bye bye Tannerman, the abductor who never was.