"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[faithlilly]

Did Kate suggest that?  Wasn't it the curtains whooshing in the wind that alerted her to the fact the window was open ... one would have thought so.

Then one would be wrong.

[Robittybob1]

It's a funny old world, supporter wise kizzy. Even though the whooshing curtains appear in none of Kate's witness statements, supporters are convinced it happened. On the other hand Gerry telling all and sundry that the shutters had been jemmied didn't happen because it's not in any of his statements ! You pays your money.......!

It is mentioned in a fashion in the timeline document:  "At this point, she notices the curtains blowing forward with a gust of wind. She runs over, pulls open the curtain and notices the shutter was
completely raised, and the window pushed open to the left as far as possible.
She then completes a check of the bathroom, kitchen and wardrobes."

I had a feeling there is a slight order change there.

[sadie]

It's a funny old world, supporter wise kizzy. Even though the whooshing curtains appear in none of Kate's witness statements, supporters are convinced it happened. On the other hand Gerry telling all and sundry that the shutters had been jemmied didn't happen because it's not in any of his statements ! You pays your money.......!

It's a funny old world Faith, when you try and make out that Kate did not state that the curtains whooshed open .... and even demonstrate it on TV.

The whole of the UK has seen her demonstration what happened.  It is totally irrelevant whether it was in her statements or not, as it is well and truly on record that the curtains did whoosh open.


As for Gerry, if people are telling lies about what he said, then it is obviously the way to counter their assertions, by showing that it is not in his statements.   

You do realise that "the shutters being jemmied" was from various members of the family who had discussed the situation between themselves and were in the UK at the time ... so is like "Chinese Whispers" and not verbatim.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/chinese-whispers

[kizzy]

Doesn't matter it was more open than when she left.  She decides to close it, it slams, ....  All true IMO.

But it does matter, how did she know how the door had been left on the last check.

Don't forget g mccann went in room admiring maddie. how did he leave the door.

She said the door was not how they left it, so imo, that could mean no one checked after they had left.

Why do you think she did not mention any this to police.

[kizzy]

If the aperture was not as she preferred it to be why shouldn't she adjust it ... at the time she had no idea at all that Madeleine was missing from her bed nor did the difference in position have any significance other than it was not as she had left it.
I take it you are aware that she knew there had been authorised entry to the apartment?

Again - why should it be as she had left it, other checks was suppose to have been made.

She was aware authorized checks previous to hers had been made, so how did she know, how they had left the door.

Why do you think she never mentioned any of this to the police,or in her statement.

[kizzy]

Did Kate suggest that?  Wasn't it the curtains whooshing in the wind that alerted her to the fact the window was open ... one would have thought so.

How would she see the curtains if the door slammed shut.

Amazing that she still left the apartment with window open, to alert tapas - not even fearing that the slamming door would have woke twins.

Where at first didn't even put light on in fear of waking them.

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[Robittybob1]

But it does matter, how did she know how the door had been left on the last check.

Don't forget g mccann went in room admiring maddie. how did he leave the door.

She said the door was not how they left it, so imo, that could mean no one checked after they had left.

Why do you think she did not mention any this to police.

Kate never gave any forensic significance to the position of the door.  Therefore no reason to mention it to the PJ.

[Lace]

Again - why should it be as she had left it, other checks was suppose to have been made.

She was aware authorized checks previous to hers had been made, so how did she know, how they had left the door.

Why do you think she never mentioned any of this to the police,or in her statement.

If memory serves me correctly,   Kate did wonder if Matt had left the door more open than how they had left it.

[Lace]

How would she see the curtains if the door slammed shut.

Amazing that she still left the apartment with window open, to alert tapas - not even fearing that the slamming door would have woke twins.

Where at first didn't even put light on in fear of waking them.

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Kate went into the room after the door slammed shut,   the twins hadn't woken up and she found Madeleine was not in her bed,  then the curtains whooshed and she found the shutter and window open.

[jassi]

If memory serves me correctly,  Kate did wonder if Matt had left the door more open than how they had left it.

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Which, of course, he hadn't.

[Lace]

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Which, of course, he hadn't.

No but Matt had left it how he found it hadn't he?

[barrier]

You do realise that "the shutters being jemmied" was from various members of the family who had discussed the situation between themselves and were in the UK at the time ... so is like "Chinese Whispers" and not verbatim.

The jemmied shutters are direct quotes from family friend Jon Corner who quotes KM,sister of GM Trish Cameron tells us that GM said the shutters were jemmied,a family friend  Gill Renwick tells us she spoke with KM also telling us the shutters were forced.,none of them met each other or talked about it to one another,unless there is a cite?

Trish Cameron, Mr McCann’s sister, said she received a telephone call from her 39-year-old brother, a consultant cardiologist, who was "hysterical and crying his eyes out".

She said: "They had put the kids to bed at 7pm and checked on them every half an hour as they had dinner nearby with the rest of the party. Gerry said the window was open, the shutters broken and the door, which had been locked, hanging open.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1550670/Police-identify-Madeleine-suspect.html

[Lace]

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Which, of course, he hadn't.

Matthew -   
At around 9.25pm, the interviewee went into his apartment and Madeleine's apartment to check on the children. He states that the door of the bedroom that was occupied by Madeleine and the twins, was open and that there was enough light in the bedroom for him to see the twins in their cots. That he couldn't see the bed occupied by Madeleine, but as it was all quiet, he deduced that she was sleeping. That the light was not from an artificial source inside the apartment, but perhaps something coming from outside through the bedroom window. That it seemed to him that the shutters of the Master' bedroom window were open without knowing if the window was also open.

He doesn't mention that he shut the door.

[kizzy]

Kate never gave any forensic significance to the position of the door.  Therefore no reason to mention it to the PJ.

That is iyo, is it not.

Forensic significance -  why not then, surely the door would have been touched to move it.

But after saying that she didn't give any forensic significance to anything, when she allowed everyone in the room. imo

[kizzy]

No but Matt had left it how he found it hadn't he?

 

How do you know that.