"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[Lace]

"By the way,  I'm not giving excuses for Kate and Gerry at all,  just giving another opinion,  it is called debate."

Who are you debating with on this matter? I have not given my opinion as to why they gave different versions of their account- I am telling it like it is. You are putting words into their mouths as if you speak on their behalf filling in the gaps, can you not see this is what you are doing? if not then look again, if so, then I would ask why you would do this.
A very young child disappeared, who knows what evil she was/still is being subjected to, or by whom. We must remember this at all times.

You don't have to give an opinion as to why they gave different versions of their account,  the fact that you pointed it out was enough for anyone to work out what you were thinking.

I am not speaking on their behalf,   I am giving my opinion. 

I know a young child disappeared,  you don't have to point that out,  this forum is here to debate to give a different opinion to someone else.

[jassi]

You don't have to give an opinion as to why they gave different versions of their account,  the fact that you pointed it out was enough for anyone to work out what you were thinking.

I am not speaking on their behalf,   I am giving my opinion. 

I know a young child disappeared,  you don't have to point that out,  this forum is here to debate to give a different opinion to someone else.

An opinion is not needed - it is a fact that they gave different versions and only they know why.

[Eleanor]

That is not what I am doing at all. You are merely looking for a reason to ban me- so go ahead.

 I am pointing out that the McCanns gave different versions of when they last saw Maddie before her disappearance. Lace is claiming she is debating. I am asking what is the debate part as I have not added my opinion to anything. Lace is adding bits on to a statement which cannot be evidenced that her version is what  really happened. I find that very interesting. I also find it interesting that when the non believers of abduction offer opinions they are asked to provide evidence...  Just saying. AND nothing I have said is libellous in any way shape or form!

I was being respectful in my disagreement with Lace's theory.

Don't be silly.  i don't want to Ban you, and I can't do that anyway.  Your ramblings are much too interesting.

[Lace]

That is not what I am doing at all. You are merely looking for a reason to ban me- so go ahead.

 I am pointing out that the McCanns gave different versions of when they last saw Maddie before her disappearance. Lace is claiming she is debating. I am asking what is the debate part as I have not added my opinion to anything. Lace is adding bits on to a statement which cannot be evidenced that her version is what  really happened. I find that very interesting. I also find it interesting that when the non believers of abduction offer opinions they are asked to provide evidence...  Just saying. AND nothing I have said is libellous in any way shape or form!

I was being respectful in my disagreement with Lace's theory.

So what did you expect in return when you pointed out that Kate said one thing and Gerry another?   Did you not want to debate what you had pointed out?    I give my opinion as to what I thought may have happened,  then you accused me of making excuses for the McCann's and added 'for some strange reason'  or words to that effect.  What you meant by that I have no idea,  but it seems when someone finds a logical answer to what you would call the McCann's differing statements of events,  you immediately go into a 'making excuses,  that's strange'   mode.

[Lace]

An opinion is not needed - it is a fact that they gave different versions and only they know why.
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Oh so, no one is allowed to say what they think may have happened then?   Ok got it,  a waste of time even mentioning it then wasn't it?   Unless it is just to make out the McCann's are devious liars of course.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Don't be silly.  i don't want to Ban you, and I can't do that anyway.  Your ramblings are much too interesting.

Indeed, that s why I am being watched. The mods don't want to miss out in the opperchansity of my insightful, posts. I get that... *flattered*

[Lace]

If we don't know why or what happened,   why post what was said on this forum?

As a matter of fact,  Amaral didn't know what happened so his theory is fiction yet you debate it.

[Miss Taken Identity]

You don't have to give an opinion as to why they gave different versions of their account,  the fact that you pointed it out was enough for anyone to work out what you were thinking.

I am not speaking on their behalf,   I am giving my opinion. 

I know a young child disappeared,  you don't have to point that out,  this forum is here to debate to give a different opinion to someone else.

" the fact that you pointed it out was enough for anyone to work out what you were thinking."

Oh, well go on and tell everyone what I am thinking by pointing this out. [should be an interesting read].

The different versions are well documented I was wondering why Gerry seems to contradict other statements.

Kate, and Jane...

[jassi]

If we don't know why or what happened,   why post what was said on this forum?

As a matter of fact,  Amaral didn't know what happened so his theory is fiction yet you debate it.
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It is perfectly reasonable to discuss facts and what appears in the media purporting to be facts.
Making up reasons for why something happened is not what my contributions are about.

I have little interest in Amaral and consider him to largely be an irrelevance since he retired from the police.

[Miss Taken Identity]

If we don't know why or what happened,   why post what was said on this forum?

As a matter of fact,  Amaral didn't know what happened so his theory is fiction yet you debate it.

Opinion or theory that is the question.

Sr Amaral was part of an investigating team, who had access to the bigger picture- that team concluded that there was no abduction via the jemmied, whooshing window as per information supplied by the mother. IE the team thought the parents were lying. It does not do any harm to find out why they would come to that conclusion, reading the statements and many little icky tricky bits of information which do not make any sense or are conflicting are worth looking at.

I have never claimed to know that happened to MBM, therefore I am not on anyone's side as you put it. I am interested in a couple of theories discussed with friends. I don't need to defend Amaral and his theory anymore than I would the McCanns version of events. That makes me neutral.

[pathfinder73]

Maybe the curtains did blow,  but it would take someone to put the door in a certain position as Kate did for it to slam.

21:30

But certainly the curtains were shut and everything was quiet.

The curtains were definitely not disturbed.

They were closed, they weren't sort of blowing about, because I'm sure I'd have noticed if there was sort of movement like that.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[Eleanor]

Indeed, that s why I am being watched. The mods don't want to miss out in the opperchansity of my insightful, posts. I get that... *flattered*

Your Warnings are nothing to do with me.  I only ever issue Warnings in extremely bad language situations, which are then repeated.

Although whether or not your comments are Insightful is a matter of opinion.  In My Opinion.

[Lace]

" the fact that you pointed it out was enough for anyone to work out what you were thinking."

Oh, well go on and tell everyone what I am thinking by pointing this out. [should be an interesting read].

The different versions are well documented I was wondering why Gerry seems to contradict other statements.

Kate, and Jane...

Obvious what you were thinking,  that they were lying,   that Madeleine hadn't gone to bed at all.  Am I right?  Why else would you point it out?   Then I came up with a perfectly good reason why they could be different and you started  the  'making excuses'  etc etc.

[Lace]

21:30

But certainly the curtains were shut and everything was quiet.

The curtains were definitely not disturbed.

They were closed, they weren't sort of blowing about, because I'm sure I'd have noticed if there was sort of movement like that.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Yes,  and?   The wind hadn't started up then had it?   Or is that just making it up again,  maybe it is better not debate about this to you sorry.

[jassi]

Yes,  and?   The wind hadn't started up then had it?   Or is that just making it up again,  maybe it is better not debate about this to you sorry.

How do you know that?