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stephen25000

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Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #90 on: May 16, 2016, 12:44:37 PM »
This may help.


''Environmental Factors

Environmental factors must be considered when working a detection dog. Working a dog in the desert with high heat hasvery different concerns when compared to working a dog in snow and very cold climates.

The best conditions for working a dog are temperatures between 40°F and 75°F, moist ground, high humidity, and a light breeze.

Although dogs can work in extreme conditions, their working time is greatly reduced.

 Factors for length of time working in the field are the above-mentioned weather conditions, what scent the dog is looking for, amount of water available to the dog, and the terrain.

Live human scent is the most abundant and available scent to the dog, with prehistoric graves being the most fragile and difficult.

Fatigue is also a factor as to how long a detection dog is effective in the field. Rest and water breaks are crucial to
keeping the detection dog an effective tool. Dogs that train and work regularly will build up their scenting endurance, but, as with an athlete, you must maintain a training program to keep a high level of endurance.

For a more successful search, the dog should be allowed time to adjust or acclimatize to each new search location.
This way the dog has time to adjust to local conditions and sort out normal background scents for the new area.

This also includes letting the dog acclimatize to different weather conditions, like humidity, heat, or cold.''

(Evolution of the Historical Human Remains Detection Dog: Choosing the Best Resource
Adela Morris & Donna Randolph, Institute for Canine Forensics

Paper presented at the Society for Historical Archaeology Annual Conference, Sacramento, CA, January 11 - 15, 2006)

Offline Angelo222

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #91 on: May 16, 2016, 01:23:18 PM »
Extreme heat ?

What extreme heat was that ?

The dogs are trained in a variety of situations and environments, and their sense of smell is extremely acute.

You do realise the heat and humidity in Portugal is totally different to that in the UK.  When confronted with an alien environment and being unable to acclimatise properly I suspect the dogs were not at their best.
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stephen25000

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Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #92 on: May 16, 2016, 01:26:32 PM »
You do realise the heat and humidity in Portugal is totally different to that in the UK.  When confronted with an alien environment I suspect the dogs were not at their best.

Have you read the article I cited Angelo ?

Likewise, SY employed Dogs from Wales in their tests in Portugal during 2014.

They had no problems doing that as far as I am aware.

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #93 on: May 16, 2016, 01:39:26 PM »
Ferryman is entitled to his opinion as long as he doesn't claim it as fact.

It's difficult to tell the difference unless he adds 'IMO' or similar qualifiers.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #94 on: May 16, 2016, 02:17:32 PM »
Have you read the article I cited Angelo ?

Likewise, SY employed Dogs from Wales in their tests in Portugal during 2014.

They had no problems doing that as far as I am aware.

eddie was older...looked like he was knackered in the heat

ferryman

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Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #95 on: May 16, 2016, 02:18:26 PM »
Having cast an eye over all my posts on this thread, I've not stated any opinions.

stephen25000

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Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #96 on: May 16, 2016, 03:11:48 PM »
eddie was older...looked like he was knackered in the heat

So davel says Eddie looked knackered.

If such an observation were to go to court, not that it will, that comment would be laughed out of Court with the contempt it deserves. *&*%£

ferryman

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Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #97 on: May 16, 2016, 03:25:59 PM »
So davel says Eddie looked knackered.

If such an observation were to go to court, not that it will, that comment would be laughed out of Court with the contempt it deserves. *&*%£

There is a kernel of truth in a flippant comment.

It is well-documented that one (possible) contributory factor to alerting-errors is that the dog (generic!) is tired through being pushed too hard.

stephen25000

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Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #98 on: May 16, 2016, 03:27:52 PM »
There is a kernel of truth in a flippant comment.

It is well-documented that one (possible) contributory factor to alerting-errors is that the dog (generic!) is tired through being pushed too hard.

So you're expertise in the subject would tell you Eddie was knackered ? @)(++(*

Offline jassi

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #99 on: May 16, 2016, 03:31:50 PM »
So you're expertise in the subject would tell you Eddie was knackered ? @)(++(*

I've no doubt there'll be another expert along shortly to give support to the idea.
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stephen25000

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Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #100 on: May 16, 2016, 03:33:15 PM »
I've no doubt there'll be another expert along shortly to give support to the idea.

No doubt.

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #101 on: May 16, 2016, 03:48:44 PM »
I've no doubt there'll be another expert along shortly to give support to the idea.

Phonetically.
Ex spurt
X = the unknown factor
Spurt = a drip under pressure.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #102 on: May 16, 2016, 03:49:26 PM »
So davel says Eddie looked knackered.

If such an observation were to go to court, not that it will, that comment would be laughed out of Court with the contempt it deserves. *&*%£

an uncorroborated alert would not be put before a court

ferryman

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Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #103 on: May 16, 2016, 03:50:35 PM »
Phonetically.
Ex spurt
X = the unknown factor
Spurt = a drip under pressure.

Almost as original as Father Christmas and the tooth-fairy ....

stephen25000

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Re: If Maddie may still be alive...what did the dog's alert to.
« Reply #104 on: May 16, 2016, 03:55:58 PM »
an uncorroborated alert would not be put before a court

Try reading again.

I know it would not go in front of the court. 8)-)))