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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #285 on: June 12, 2016, 01:35:32 PM »
Actually dave, when people are presented with the facts, i.e. no evidence of abduction, they know where to put the blame.

Presented with lies is more like it
Both Osborne and Hopkins believe Maddie was abducted and therefore believe the McCanns are not involved in any crime

stephen25000

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Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #286 on: June 12, 2016, 01:40:14 PM »
Presented with lies is more like it
Both Osborne and Hopkins believe Maddie was abducted and therefore believe the McCanns are not involved in any crime

Have you asked Hopkins and Osbourne what they believe ?

Please cite where they have stated abduction.

Bottom line, there is Sweet Foxtrot Alpha to show abduction, and you typing it, won't change a thing.

Offline xtina

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #287 on: June 12, 2016, 01:53:35 PM »
Presented with lies is more like it
Both Osborne and Hopkins believe Maddie was abducted and therefore believe the McCanns are not involved in any crime


this is what i mean ........

its only your opinion ..

.what you like to believe....

of what they think

but neither of them said that did they .....

just you.....
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline mercury

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult stat
« Reply #288 on: June 13, 2016, 01:21:09 AM »

this is what i mean ........

its only your opinion ..

.what you like to believe....

of what they think

but neither of them said that did they .....

just you.....
You are exactly right xtina and davel is exactly wrong though he wishes he wasnt lol

Offline sadie

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #289 on: June 13, 2016, 02:25:05 AM »
Presented with lies is more like it
Both Osborne and Hopkins believe Maddie was abducted and therefore believe the McCanns are not involved in any crime

Exactly dave   8((()*/

Offline mercury

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #290 on: June 13, 2016, 02:29:50 AM »
Exactly dave   8((()*/

So both to be aplauded

 8((()*/

Offline Lace

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #291 on: June 13, 2016, 08:18:28 AM »
Was Gerry sucking a lolly and joking? I think I've seen a photo of that. Was sedation of the children mentioned? Oh yes, Kate McCann mentioned it when her twins slept too well. I don't know who mentioned swinging, was that Amaral? Did they have help in high places? Well, not every parent of a missing child gets phone calls from Tony and Cherie Blair and Gordon Brown. Child abduction abroad is dealt with at Consular level usually, Ambassadors don't get involved in such matters. The Foreign Office doesn't normally provide press officers. Finally, Amaral was not the only one to notice an atypical emotional response.

Please give a link to the photo of Gerry sucking a lolly and joking.    Even if he was,   Amaral took that as being unconcerned,  when maybe Gerry was joking with friends who rang up to lighten the mood,  he was a joker apparently and it is the way some overcome stress.    Yet Amaral took the way Gerry behaved as suspicious,  that he knew it was a hoax  -

 Quote from Amaral's book -One day, we were all together at the PJ in Portimão – inspectors and negotiators, members of Scotland Yard and the Leicestershire police – waiting for a contact to define the place and the conditions for the handing over of the money in Holland; when the tension was at its height and we were all holding our breath, Gerald McCann displayed a nonchalance that surprised all of the police officers present, including the English. The atmosphere got heavier as the waiting drew out, but McCann, relaxed, was reading trivia on the internet and discussing rugby and football with the English police, while licking a lollipop. On the telephone, he laughed with friends who called him. Perhaps this was nervousness; sometimes it’s totally displaced, given what is at stake at the time. His attitude shocked. When, two days later the dutch police informed us that the individual had been arrested, that he was not holding any information and had lied from start to finish with the sole objective of extorting money from the couple, we were not surprised.  End of quote



'We were not surprised'   Amaral said,   what does that tell the readers?


As for the Calpol,   it was Amaral who said the McCann's give it to the children to help them sleep,  Kate McCann said they didn't give the children any medication to help them sleep.   Kate's father when asked if the McCann's give the children any medication he replied he had only ever seen them give Madeleine Calpol,  which is what is given to children for fever,   or pain,   Amaral jumped on that to claim that they had given Madeleine Calpol to help her sleep when it is not a sedative the Calpol Sleep wasn't sold until September.

As to the help the McCann's received,   what other British couple who have lost a child abroad are you comparing this case with?

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Offline Benice

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #292 on: June 13, 2016, 08:25:06 AM »
Have you asked Hopkins and Osbourne what they believe ?

Please cite where they have stated abduction.

Bottom line, there is Sweet Foxtrot Alpha to show abduction, and you typing it, won't change a thing.

Sharon Osbourne clearly believes that Madeleine was abducted.

This is an excerpt from what she said during an US show called The Talk - (on Youtube) explaining why she made those comments.

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.............. a case I cited to educate young girls who were not looking at the news when Maddie was taken - cos they were too young..............................


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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #293 on: June 13, 2016, 09:19:57 AM »
Sharon Osbourne clearly believes that Madeleine was abducted.

This is an excerpt from what she said during an US show called The Talk - (on Youtube) explaining why she made those comments.

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.............. a case I cited to educate young girls who were not looking at the news when Maddie was taken - cos they were too young..............................


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What does Ms. Osbourne know about the case, other than the mccanns left their children alone whilst they consumed alcohol and ate ?

Does she know there is no evidence of abduction ?

 8)-)))

Offline G-Unit

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #294 on: June 13, 2016, 09:33:28 AM »
Please give a link to the photo of Gerry sucking a lolly and joking.    Even if he was,   Amaral took that as being unconcerned,  when maybe Gerry was joking with friends who rang up to lighten the mood,  he was a joker apparently and it is the way some overcome stress.    Yet Amaral took the way Gerry behaved as suspicious,  that he knew it was a hoax  -

 Quote from Amaral's book -One day, we were all together at the PJ in Portimão – inspectors and negotiators, members of Scotland Yard and the Leicestershire police – waiting for a contact to define the place and the conditions for the handing over of the money in Holland; when the tension was at its height and we were all holding our breath, Gerald McCann displayed a nonchalance that surprised all of the police officers present, including the English. The atmosphere got heavier as the waiting drew out, but McCann, relaxed, was reading trivia on the internet and discussing rugby and football with the English police, while licking a lollipop. On the telephone, he laughed with friends who called him. Perhaps this was nervousness; sometimes it’s totally displaced, given what is at stake at the time. His attitude shocked. When, two days later the dutch police informed us that the individual had been arrested, that he was not holding any information and had lied from start to finish with the sole objective of extorting money from the couple, we were not surprised.  End of quote



'We were not surprised'   Amaral said,   what does that tell the readers?


As for the Calpol,   it was Amaral who said the McCann's give it to the children to help them sleep,  Kate McCann said they didn't give the children any medication to help them sleep.   Kate's father when asked if the McCann's give the children any medication he replied he had only ever seen them give Madeleine Calpol,  which is what is given to children for fever,   or pain,   Amaral jumped on that to claim that they had given Madeleine Calpol to help her sleep when it is not a sedative the Calpol Sleep wasn't sold until September.

As to the help the McCann's received,   what other British couple who have lost a child abroad are you comparing this case with?

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If I had been present at the time I would have been shocked too. It all depends on what you think is appropriate behaviour for the father of a child who could be on the verge of being found, doesn't it?

Amaral mentioned Calpol,  anti-histamines and sedation. Why concentrate on just one of them, I wonder?

Kerry Needham asked The British Embassy for help but was refused. It took three months for an FLO to be provided by SY police.

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Offline Benice

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #295 on: June 13, 2016, 09:42:59 AM »
What does Ms. Osbourne know about the case, other than the mccanns left their children alone whilst they consumed alcohol and ate ?

Does she know there is no evidence of abduction ?

 8)-)))

You asked for a cite where they had stated 'abduction'.   I gave you a cite from Sharon Osbourne stating 'abduction'.    i.e. in her own words .... ''when Maddie was taken''.     If that isn't enough to answer your request then I can't help you.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Lace

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #296 on: June 13, 2016, 09:44:47 AM »
If I had been present at the time I would have been shocked too. It all depends on what you think is appropriate behaviour for the father of a child who could be on the verge of being found, doesn't it?

Amaral mentioned Calpol,  anti-histamines and sedation. Why concentrate on just one of them, I wonder?

Kerry Needham asked The British Embassy for help but was refused. It took three months for an FLO to be provided by SY police.

http://www.helpfindben.co.uk/history.html

Yet in that link Gordon Bernard of the British Embassy was helping with the search for Ben.

Why is it the McCann's fault that they got more help?   Surely that is the fault of the Government in power when Ben went missing.

Amaral concentrated on the Calpol as they found Calpol during the search of their apartment,  also Kate's Dad mentioned the McCann's give the children Calpol,   so all this was used as an attempt to show the readers that the McCann's drugged the children,  it fitted in with his theory of a groggy Madeleine falling from the sofa.

You would have been shocked seeing a father who was no doubt full of nerves,   joking and laughing no doubt to take the edge off the situation?   Who is to say who ever rang him was joking with him to try and give him support?  It's is the British way isn't it,  we try and joke about things to break the tension, doesn't mean he wasn't scared to death does it,  or that he knew it was a hoax.   
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stephen25000

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Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #297 on: June 13, 2016, 09:46:12 AM »
You asked for a cite where they had stated 'abduction'.   I gave you a cite from Sharon Osbourne stating 'abduction'.    i.e. in her own words .... ''when Maddie was taken''.     If that isn't enough to answer your request then I can't help you.

You have failed to answer my question.

What does Ms. Osbourne know about the case ?

Try answering that before you type more mantra.

Offline Benice

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #298 on: June 13, 2016, 10:10:07 AM »
If I had been present at the time I would have been shocked too. It all depends on what you think is appropriate behaviour for the father of a child who could be on the verge of being found, doesn't it?

Amaral mentioned Calpol,  anti-histamines and sedation. Why concentrate on just one of them, I wonder?

Kerry Needham asked The British Embassy for help but was refused. It took three months for an FLO to be provided by SY police.

http://www.helpfindben.co.uk/history.html

Does anyone honestly believe that if Gerry was guilty he would have decided to do his best to prove to all the PJ officers and UK officers present that he wasn't a bit bothered or affected by the tension at that time - because he knew no call was going to come?  What did he have to gain from doing that?

That wouldn't just make him 'stupid' it would mean he was severely mentally impaired IMO.

IMO the event as described by Amaral is a gross distortion of the truth.  I can imagine how tense the atmosphere was - and I can also believe that the UK police may have brought up the subject of football - to relieve the ever increasing level of tension as they all sat waiting for that phonecall.

Amarals chapter on Calpol is an unmistakeable attempt to convince his readers that the McCanns drugged their children - as anyone who has read his book will see.

Ben Needham disappeared 16 years before Madeleine.   How she was treated then by the Authorities operating at that time is absolutely nothing to do with the McCanns.      The only effect Madeleine's case has had on Ben's case has been a beneficial one as over a million pounds has now been allocated to it.  IMO that would never have happened if SY had not re-opened Madeleine's case.

AIMHO

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Benice

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #299 on: June 13, 2016, 10:16:24 AM »
You have failed to answer my question.

What does Ms. Osbourne know about the case ?

Try answering that before you type more mantra.

LOL what mantra are you talking about?    You asked for a cite and I gave you a cite.   And you didn't even say thankyou.

If you want to know why Sharon Osbourne believes Madeleine was abducted - you need to ask her not me.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal