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Alfie

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Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #165 on: June 10, 2016, 09:58:23 AM »
No point, just an answer to your post 153.
In what way do you think it answers my post 153 in which I said he should have chosen a more equivocal title?  It is clear from the title alone that he believes that the McCanns are involved in a deception to do with their child's disappearance and that his book supposedly extracts the truth from the deception.  He is not claiming this as a thesis but as a fact.   

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #166 on: June 10, 2016, 10:00:36 AM »
In what way do you think it answers my post 153 in which I said he should have chosen a more equivocal title?  It is clear from the title alone that he believes that the McCanns are involved in a deception to do with their child's disappearance and that his book supposedly extracts the truth from the deception.  He is not claiming this as a thesis but as a fact.

the portuguese poster has indeed confirmed the idea of deception

stephen25000

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Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #167 on: June 10, 2016, 10:15:31 AM »
Some need reminding the cause of Madeleine's disappearance is undetermined.

Offline Lace

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #168 on: June 10, 2016, 10:17:31 AM »
Made it sound like fact?  how do you do that then?

 I never heard anyone who has read the book think they were reading about the 'McCanns dunit' They managed to establish it was a thesis based on an enquiry. But, oh well, if you didn't get that then then he should be hang by the neck till he be dead... Or perhaps you should get someone to read it as it should be read- As a Thesis!

Have you read his book?   watched the video?    at the start of the video it is said they are going to say 'what really happened'.    So is that fact or not?

Amaral goes about blackening the McCann's names all the way through his book,   he argues about the DNA stating that how come the parts of the DNA match Madeleine,   he accuses Gerry of knowing that a person was falsely claiming to know where Madeleine was,   and hints that burglars were meant to have burgled his house for his briefcase but went to a house near him instead,   also when his wife finds his dog dead,   he thinks to himself as he can't bury his dog the ground is too hard [he throws it in the bin]   how easily it would be to dispose of a body in a bin.   His wife when finding the dog dead begs him to leave the case as it is too dangerous,  hinting that someone had killed his dog to get at him.   He also mentions another family who was being investigated as their child was missing but they failed to hide some bloody evidence and were caught.   

Very craftily done but all the same he points at the McCann's all the way through,  he describes Gerry as being cold and someone points out 'well he is a heart surgeon and cuts people up before breakfast'  or similar words,  Gerry isn't a heart surgeon as Amaral should have known,  but it makes the readers think he is cold and ruthless doesn't it?

He doesn't stick to the files and slyly gives an impression of the McCann's as being these cold calculated people who would throw their child in a bin.

Reading his book,  I would no doubt say that a lot of readers would believe what he says and think his understanding of the facts were true.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #169 on: June 10, 2016, 10:19:15 AM »
Some need reminding the cause of Madeleine's disappearance is undetermined.

amaral certainly needs reminding...perhaps someone should tell him

Offline xtina

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #170 on: June 10, 2016, 10:45:34 AM »
In what way do you think it answers my post 153 in which I said he should have chosen a more equivocal title?  It is clear from the title alone that he believes that the McCanns are involved in a deception to do with their child's disappearance and that his book supposedly extracts the truth from the deception.  He is not claiming this as a thesis but as a fact.

well whatever..........so what

its his book ....has been published...it is not libel...and is read by ...many...many...thousands if not millions..
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #171 on: June 10, 2016, 10:46:24 AM »
My cult is the Truth. Parents who refuse to answer questions or do a reconstruction to help the police don't deserve my respect. All other arguido answered questions and it's not their child. Amaral had the right to treat them as prime suspects after the English canine investigations. The McCanns later released a book and did their own reconstruction and the less said about Smithman matching Tannerman (Crecheman) the better  @)(++(* This case is staying open until the ones responsible are brought to justice!
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #172 on: June 10, 2016, 11:02:52 AM »
In what way do you think it answers my post 153 in which I said he should have chosen a more equivocal title?  It is clear from the title alone that he believes that the McCanns are involved in a deception to do with their child's disappearance and that his book supposedly extracts the truth from the deception.  He is not claiming this as a thesis but as a fact.

You asked a question;

The Book is called "The Truth of the Lie" for god sake!  What does 'the truth' mean in this instance? It's only a thesis about the truth?

I gave you a definition of this Portuguese expression. If that's not what you wanted then make your posts clearer.
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Offline Benice

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #173 on: June 10, 2016, 11:13:06 AM »
Have you read his book?   watched the video?    at the start of the video it is said they are going to say 'what really happened'.    So is that fact or not?

Amaral goes about blackening the McCann's names all the way through his book,   he argues about the DNA stating that how come the parts of the DNA match Madeleine,   he accuses Gerry of knowing that a person was falsely claiming to know where Madeleine was,   and hints that burglars were meant to have burgled his house for his briefcase but went to a house near him instead,   also when his wife finds his dog dead,   he thinks to himself as he can't bury his dog the ground is too hard [he throws it in the bin]   how easily it would be to dispose of a body in a bin.   His wife when finding the dog dead begs him to leave the case as it is too dangerous,  hinting that someone had killed his dog to get at him.   He also mentions another family who was being investigated as their child was missing but they failed to hide some bloody evidence and were caught.   

Very craftily done but all the same he points at the McCann's all the way through,  he describes Gerry as being cold and someone points out 'well he is a heart surgeon and cuts people up before breakfast'  or similar words,  Gerry isn't a heart surgeon as Amaral should have known,  but it makes the readers think he is cold and ruthless doesn't it?

He doesn't stick to the files and slyly gives an impression of the McCann's as being these cold calculated people who would throw their child in a bin.

Reading his book,  I would no doubt say that a lot of readers would believe what he says and think his understanding of the facts were true.

Excellent post Lace.   IMO sly inuendo is prolific throughout the book  - not to mention the actual lies , half truths and lies by omission.     An example of all those are in his Chapter where he described Madeleine's crying incident.   He even changes the date from the 3rd to the 2nd May - to make it fit in with what he wants his readers to believe. 

AIMHO
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
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Offline xtina

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #174 on: June 10, 2016, 11:24:02 AM »
Excellent post Lace.   IMO sly inuendo is prolific throughout the book  - not to mention the actual lies , half truths and lies by omission.     An example of all those are in his Chapter where he described Madeleine's crying incident.   He even changes the date from the 3rd to the 2nd May - to make it fit in with what he wants his readers to believe. 

AIMHO


but it is a fact ....it is not libel..............
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

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Alfie

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Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #175 on: June 10, 2016, 11:37:06 AM »
You asked a question;

The Book is called "The Truth of the Lie" for god sake!  What does 'the truth' mean in this instance? It's only a thesis about the truth?

I gave you a definition of this Portuguese expression. If that's not what you wanted then make your posts clearer.
Perhaps you should have quoted the correct post of mine, instead of quoting my post #158, which is where the confusion has arisen.  In any case my question was rhetorical, but you surely knew that.

Alfie

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Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #176 on: June 10, 2016, 11:38:12 AM »

but it is a fact ....it is not libel..............
LOL, so the court has determined that Amaral's lies are now indeed facts and therefore not libel, I see...

Offline xtina

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #177 on: June 10, 2016, 11:44:05 AM »
LOL, so the court has determined that Amaral's lies are now indeed facts and therefore not libel, I see...


it is back on sale isnt it ......

not libel,I see...........................................said the blind man to his deaf daughter
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

stephen25000

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Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #178 on: June 10, 2016, 11:54:49 AM »

it is back on sale isnt it ......

not libel,I see...........................................said the blind man to his deaf daughter

Indeed it is, and some people , very few in reality, are not happy about it.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has support for the McCanns and Goncalo Amaral reached cult status?
« Reply #179 on: June 10, 2016, 11:58:12 AM »
to answer the thread...it is rather a silly thread and whilst there may  be some fringe fanatics I don't see anyone as part of any cult on this forum....the thread is just an attempt to goad...IMO