Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.

[faithlilly]

It's a proverb actually, like the pot calling the kettle black, or you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.  Nuggets of truth neatly encapsulated in a pithy epithet.  Or clichés if you prefer...

In the wider sense, as always, you're peddling a cliche.

[Carana]

Slag Cristovoa as much as you like, he does seems a thoroughly nasty individual but don't pretend that the fact that he was an acquaintance of Amaral tars Amaral with the same brush.

As to Summer and wife I'm more disappointed than critical. Perhaps Tom Mangold simply brought out the literary best in him in a way his wife doesn't ?

I still don't understand what you are referring to, Faith. Could you be a little more explicit?

[Alfie]

In the wider sense, as always, you're peddling a cliche.

That's just rude.

[Carana]

If the number of bottles of wine consumed was wrong isn't it possible that it was simply made up by the newspaper and wasn't a 'leak' at all ?

As to the dog alerts we'd first have to find out if Crisovoa's book was published after September 2007.

No, he was busy peddling his book about Joana in Sept 2007.

An interview on his book on the Madeleine case is dated 3 March 2008, in which he states that it took him 5 months to write...

http://www.destak.pt/artigo/8566

[faithlilly]

I still don't understand what you are referring to, Faith. Could you be a little more explicit?

TBH Carana due to the liable laws in this country I think it would be very difficult for any journalist to write a balanced book on the case.

[faithlilly]

No, he was busy peddling his book about Joana in Sept 2007.

An interview on his book on the Madeleine case is dated 3 March 2008, in which he states that it took him 5 months to write...

http://www.destak.pt/artigo/8566

I'm sorry Carana I know little about these books. Was the Madeleine book published before the Joana one ?

[Carana]

I'm sorry Carana I know little about these books. Was the Madeleine book published before the Joana one ?

His book on Joana was published on 4 Sept 2007 (after he appears to have been kicked out of the PJ).

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/paulo-pereira-cristovao/ministra-nega-recurso-a-pereira-cristovao-de-pena-aplicada-pela-pj

http://www.rtp.pt/noticias/cultura/a-estrela-de-joana-de-paulo-pereira-nas-bancas_n162378


His book on the Madeleine case was published on 18 March, 2008.

I haven't checked when his promo tour actually started, but from the Destak article (3 March 2008), he states that it took him 5 months to write.

[faithlilly]

His book on Joana was published on 4 Sept 2007 (after he appears to have been kicked out of the PJ).

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/paulo-pereira-cristovao/ministra-nega-recurso-a-pereira-cristovao-de-pena-aplicada-pela-pj

http://www.rtp.pt/noticias/cultura/a-estrela-de-joana-de-paulo-pereira-nas-bancas_n162378


His book on the Madeleine case was published on 18 March, 2008.

I haven't checked when his promo tour actually started, but from the Destak article (3 March 2008), he states that it took him 5 months to write.

Thank you Carana.

So his book on Madeleine was written sometime after September 2007 when the dog information was in the public domain.

[Brietta]

No, he was busy peddling his book about Joana in Sept 2007.

An interview on his book on the Madeleine case is dated 3 March 2008, in which he states that it took him 5 months to write...

http://www.destak.pt/artigo/8566

He says his 'justification' for writing the book "A Estrela de Madeleine" was his desire to defend the reputation of the PJ and the reputation of Portugal.

In my opinion few have dragged the reputation of both through the mud with such vigour and single minded application of criminality than Cristovao.
I refer only to the proven charges against him ... without taking into consideration the heinous crimes of which he stands accused and for which he is currently on trial.

[faithlilly]

He says his 'justification' for writing the book "A Estrela de Madeleine" was his desire to defend the reputation of the PJ and the reputation of Portugal.

In my opinion few have dragged the reputation of both through the mud with such vigour and single minded application of criminality than Cristovao.
I refer only to the proven charges against him ... without taking into consideration the heinous crimes of which he stands accused and for which he is currently on trial.

I can't help but agree Brietta.

[Carana]

TBH Carana due to the liable laws in this country I think it would be very difficult for any journalist to write a balanced book on the case.

Obviously they had to be wary of libel (whoever they were tackling throughout the various chapters).

There was some criticism in the book, but there's a live investigation into a still missing child...

Personally, I found them to have tackled it responsibly, which is more than I can say for numerous other people writing about the case.

[Carana]

Thank you Carana.

So his book on Madeleine was written sometime after September 2007 when the dog information was in the public domain.

When did the details of the dog alerts in McCann-related areas get leaked?

[faithlilly]

When did the details of the dog alerts in McCann-related areas get leaked?

The details were certainly known at the time the McCanns were made arguidos.

This article from the 8th of Sep 2007 mentions the dog alerts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6983604.stm

[Edited to correct the date of the article]

[sadie]

By the same token you could ask what is the relevance of the Cipriano thread given the girl was murdered?

You say.

No proof what-so-ever that Joana is dead ... just the ramblings of Amaral and Christavao, both of whom are convicted criminals.


To remind you, tortured out stuff is NOT evidence at all. People will say what they are told to say if the pain is too great.

[stephen25000]

You say.

No proof what-so-ever that Joana is dead ... just the ramblings of Amaral and Christavao, both of whom are convicted criminals.


To remind you, tortured out stuff is NOT evidence at all. People will say what they are told to say if the pain is too great.

Wrong thread sadie.

Take it to the Cipriano ones.