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Offline Mr Gray

Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #210 on: June 10, 2016, 04:04:12 PM »
Before you get too carried away giving yourself a round of applause and a ruck of high fives:
you said: there is ample evidence to prove an offer was made by teh pj
I said : well provide it then.
I am still waiting.
Either it exists ergo you will be able to provide it or you are over egging the pud. Which is it ?

Sorry...too late... The rounds of applause and high fives have been celebrated

stephen25000

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Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #211 on: June 10, 2016, 04:08:32 PM »
Sorry...too late... The rounds of applause and high fives have been celebrated

What ???

Offline mercury

Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #212 on: June 10, 2016, 08:57:31 PM »
That explains the outrage 10 days ago, on the evening that Gerry and Kate McCann were declared formal suspects, or arguidos, in the disappearance of their daughter. Police were still questioning Gerry McCann when, already, his sister Philomena was telling Sky they had offered Kate McCann a reduced two-year sentence if she admitted to killing her daughter accidentally, hiding the body and then secretly disposing of it weeks later.

On this occasion the police officers were right to be angry. Like many things said about the McCann affair over the past days and months, the story was wrong. There was no offer of a plea bargain.
It had all been "a misunderstanding", the McCann lawyer, Carlos Pinto de Abreu, explained the following day.


http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/sep/17/mondaymediasection13


This must be one of the most understated comments of all time in this case. 
One cannot help from laughing at the absurdity of it all  @)(++(*


Police were still questioning Gerry McCann when, already, his sister Philomena was telling Sky they had offered Kate McCann a reduced two-year sentence if she admitted to killing her daughter accidentally, hiding the body and then secretly disposing of it weeks later.


oooer, breaking secrecy laws were they? Then no one has any busness lambasting GA for alledgedly doing so when writing and in publshng his book POST case shelving

Online misty

Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #213 on: June 10, 2016, 09:15:49 PM »

Police were still questioning Gerry McCann when, already, his sister Philomena was telling Sky they had offered Kate McCann a reduced two-year sentence if she admitted to killing her daughter accidentally, hiding the body and then secretly disposing of it weeks later.


oooer, breaking secrecy laws were they? Then no one has any busness lambasting GA for alledgedly doing so when writing and in publshng his book POST case shelving

I think you need to start at page 240 (hardback copy Fantasy Land chapter) to see that it was the lawyer who put the PJ proposition to KM back at the rental villa very late on the night of 6th Sept, after questioning had stopped for the night. You will also read that Paulo Ferreira was the officer who told KM her lawyer had something very important to tell her before she left the police station.
Maybe you can understand why KM refused to answer any questions on the 7th.

Offline mercury

Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #214 on: June 10, 2016, 09:21:58 PM »
I think you need to start at page 240 (hardback copy Fantasy Land chapter) to see that it was the lawyer who put the PJ proposition to KM back at the rental villa very late on the night of 6th Sept, after questioning had stopped for the night. You will also read that Paulo Ferreira was the officer who told KM her lawyer had something very important to tell her before she left the police station.
Maybe you can understand why KM refused to answer any questions on the 7th.
I wasnt talking about that issue  !
Anyway


Maybe her lawyer also suspected them or saw it wasnt going well and made it all up and it was nothng to do with the PJ

Offline Mr Gray

Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #215 on: June 10, 2016, 09:25:55 PM »
I wasnt talking about that issue  !
Anyway


Maybe her lawyer also suspected them or saw it wasnt going well and made it all up and it was nothng to do with the PJ

I don't see how it could possibly be anyone from the PJ as a deal would be illegal and as two of the officers involved were already involved in cases involving brutal torture they wouldn't wan to get themselves in another illegal activity

Online misty

Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #216 on: June 10, 2016, 09:27:06 PM »
I wasnt talking about that issue  !
Anyway


Maybe her lawyer also suspected them or saw it wasnt going well and made it all up and it was nothng to do with the PJ

You can also read that there were other people present at the villa at that time who weren't subject to judicial secrecy laws.

Offline mercury

Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #217 on: June 10, 2016, 09:33:07 PM »
You can also read that there were other people present at the villa at that time who weren't subject to judicial secrecy laws.

Oh, who is and who isnt subject then? Doesnt the fact remain that persons of knowledge involved in the case will have been the instigators of escaped info?

Online misty

Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #218 on: June 10, 2016, 09:38:46 PM »
Oh, who is and who isnt subject then? Doesnt the fact remain that persons of knowledge involved in the case will have been the instigators of escaped info?

People not interviewed as witnesses or arguidos are not bound by any Portuguese laws.
RM spoke to the press about the case when he was an arguido, though, and wasn't admonished.

Offline mercury

Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #219 on: June 10, 2016, 09:43:15 PM »
People not interviewed as witnesses or arguidos are not bound by any Portuguese laws.
RM spoke to the press about the case when he was an arguido, though, and wasn't admonished.

1) thank you for the info
2) proves my point about GA, they even wasted spent money on chasing him for this , preposterous pointless hypocritical and vexatious
« Last Edit: June 14, 2016, 12:05:41 AM by mercury »

Offline Brietta

Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #220 on: June 21, 2016, 06:22:30 PM »
Three snips from the same newspaper article to give a flavour of the time.

With prejudice
Unofficial sources and the demands of 24-hour news have led to a media storm around Gerry and Kate McCann that gets darker by the day
Giles Tremlett
Monday 17 September 2007 08.02 BST

**
Police were still questioning Gerry McCann when, already, his sister Philomena was telling Sky they had offered Kate McCann a reduced two-year sentence if she admitted to killing her daughter accidentally, hiding the body and then secretly disposing of it weeks later.

On this occasion the police officers were right to be angry. Like many things said about the McCann affair over the past days and months, the story was wrong. There was no offer of a plea bargain. It had all been "a misunderstanding", the McCann lawyer, Carlos Pinto de Abreu, explained the following day.


**
As Portuguese journalists caught the mood music from police the relationship disintegrated further. Sandra Felgueiras, a feisty state television journalist obsessed by the family's supposed use of Calpol, became a particular bete noire.

Some Portuguese commentators are aware that their press, like some of their British counterparts, have gone too far. "The crowd now wants the parents to be the murderers because they are British (and, therefore, not Portuguese) and so that the worst of the British press has to surrender to the worst of the Portuguese press and admit that the latter were right," commented Mario Negreiros in Portugal's Jornal de Negocios.


**
The best summary of the McCanns' current situation came from a Portuguese commentator, Joao Marques dos Santos of Correio da Manha. "The theory of the presumption of innocence for an arguido is a joke. When someone is declared an arguido, the exact opposite occurs. That person, whether innocent or not, is considered by investigators to be potentially guilty. The effects are devastating and irreparable."
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/sep/17/mondaymediasection13
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

ferryman

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Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #221 on: June 21, 2016, 07:52:29 PM »
Three snips from the same newspaper article to give a flavour of the time.

With prejudice
Unofficial sources and the demands of 24-hour news have led to a media storm around Gerry and Kate McCann that gets darker by the day
Giles Tremlett
Monday 17 September 2007 08.02 BST

**
Police were still questioning Gerry McCann when, already, his sister Philomena was telling Sky they had offered Kate McCann a reduced two-year sentence if she admitted to killing her daughter accidentally, hiding the body and then secretly disposing of it weeks later.

On this occasion the police officers were right to be angry. Like many things said about the McCann affair over the past days and months, the story was wrong. There was no offer of a plea bargain. It had all been "a misunderstanding", the McCann lawyer, Carlos Pinto de Abreu, explained the following day.


**
As Portuguese journalists caught the mood music from police the relationship disintegrated further. Sandra Felgueiras, a feisty state television journalist obsessed by the family's supposed use of Calpol, became a particular bete noire.

Some Portuguese commentators are aware that their press, like some of their British counterparts, have gone too far. "The crowd now wants the parents to be the murderers because they are British (and, therefore, not Portuguese) and so that the worst of the British press has to surrender to the worst of the Portuguese press and admit that the latter were right," commented Mario Negreiros in Portugal's Jornal de Negocios.


**
The best summary of the McCanns' current situation came from a Portuguese commentator, Joao Marques dos Santos of Correio da Manha. "The theory of the presumption of innocence for an arguido is a joke. When someone is declared an arguido, the exact opposite occurs. That person, whether innocent or not, is considered by investigators to be potentially guilty. The effects are devastating and irreparable."
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/sep/17/mondaymediasection13

Yes.

Giles Tremlett did the McCanns a grave disservice with that article.

Philomena McCann was mistaken to refer to the deal offered to Kate and Gerry as a 'plea-bargain' (a purely technical point of legal semantics).

But the deal offered was sure as hell real, and the only way to make sense of the brief Harrison was handed.


Offline Robittybob1

Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #222 on: August 31, 2016, 04:35:07 AM »
I was rather trying to find out what the actual offer was.
What we have here is Kate said Carlos said the police said.
Carlos is the lawyer representing the McCanns so what the PJ tell Carlos they are in effect telling the McCanns.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #223 on: August 31, 2016, 07:29:45 AM »
I just thank God that there are people as honest as Kate McCann in the world today.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #224 on: August 31, 2016, 02:55:14 PM »
I just thank God that there are people as honest as Kate McCann in the world today.

Once more we have a belief with no actual facts or examples to support it. I can give one glaring example which suggests otherwise;

KMcC: If I'm honest, we haven't put too much emphasis on her eye
Interview with Piers Morgan

Posters were released by findmadeleine.com, and Crimestoppers and Kate and Gerry were pictured holding the posters up and sitting in front of them at press conferences.

What did they all have in common? They all emphasised Madeleine's eye. The appeal in the Lancet [requested by the family] mentioned her coloboma.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pics+madeleine+eyes&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwij7[Name removed]h4OvOAhWmBZoKHWV5B5QQ7AkIKg&biw=911&bih=423#tbm=isch&q=madeleine+posters+look+into+my+eyes

emphasise = to show that something is very important or worth giving attention to:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/emphasize


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