Katie Hopkins says Sun banned her from writing about Madeleine McCann!

[G-Unit]

Sharon Osbourne clearly believes that Madeleine was abducted.

This is an excerpt from what she said during an US show called The Talk - (on Youtube) explaining why she made those comments.
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.............. a case I cited to educate young girls who were not looking at the news when Maddie was taken - cos they were too young..............................
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And the point shewas making to those girls was;

Young children should never ever be left home alone.

A fact that most people know and, surprisingly to some, most people knew before 2007. Not because they feared 'abduction' but because they understood the many other dangers attached to such a practice.

[stephen25000]

Sharon Osbourne clearly believes that Madeleine was abducted.

This is an excerpt from what she said during an US show called The Talk - (on Youtube) explaining why she made those comments.
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.............. a case I cited to educate young girls who were not looking at the news when Maddie was taken - cos they were too young..............................
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Tell me, what does Ms. Osbourne know about the case, other than the mccanns leaving the children alone, whilst they consumed alcohol and ate ?

[faithlilly]

I thought the question was about credibility, not about whether individuals are OK or not.  I happen to think the argument that the McCanns dunnit cannot be credibly explained.  No one has successfully argued completely objectively how, why, when or where in any blog I have ever read.  That said everyone is entitled to hold an opinion, and I would argue that Tim Fenton's  opinion is just as credible and valid as Hopkins' despite the fact that he is neither paid for his opinions nor a C-list celebrity.

And I would agree....but really that's not align much, is it ?

[Alfie]

And I would agree....but really that's not align much, is it ?

come again? 

I don't know why you challenged me if you agree with me.  Let's not forget it was G-Unit who was suggesting that Katie Hopkins opinion is somehow more valid that Tim Fenton's because she gets paid by the Daily Mail for voicing her hateful opinions and getting her pretty little face on telly occasionally.  Challenge her for a change!

[G-Unit]

come again? 

I don't know why you challenged me if you agree with me.  Let's not forget it was G-Unit who was suggesting that Katie Hopkins opinion is somehow more valid that Tim Fenton's because she gets paid by the Daily Mail for voicing her hateful opinions and getting her pretty little face on telly occasionally.  Challenge her for a change!

It's obvious to most people that a columnist in a newspaper has more readers and more influence than some nobody writing his blog. Only someone with an agenda would give them equal weight in my opinion.

[faithlilly]

come again? 

I don't know why you challenged me if you agree with me.  Let's not forget it was G-Unit who was suggesting that Katie Hopkins opinion is somehow more valid that Tim Fenton's because she gets paid by the Daily Mail for voicing her hateful opinions and getting her pretty little face on telly occasionally.  Challenge her for a change!

And you were parading the Fenton fellow in the same way. Are you now saying their opinions hold the same validity?

[faithlilly]

It's obvious to most people that a columnist in a newspaper has more readers and more influence than some nobody writing his blog. Only someone with an agenda would give them equal weight in my opinion.

More influence agreed.

[Benice]

And the point shewas making to those girls was;

Young children should never ever be left home alone.

A fact that most people know and, surprisingly to some, most people knew before 2007. Not because they feared 'abduction' but because they understood the many other dangers attached to such a practice.

Groundhog day?

So you keep saying  - and as I keep saying - the same people who would not dream of leaving their children alone at home, do for some illogical reason leave their children alone and go to dinner when they are on holiday  - and in their thousands too.     

One of the main reasons being that it is a service which has been offered by reputable tour operators etc for years on end - without it resulting in any tragedies being reported -  to warn folk off   - and which has therefore lulled  them into a false sense of security.

Like it or not - that is a fact.

Actually I don't completely agree that you shouldn't leave your children asleep and go out for even a minute - as that means even going out into the garden to fetch the washing in after the kids are in bed asleep is wrong.    There's good sensible parenting and then there's over anxious paranoi  IMO.


AIMHO

[Brietta]

Groundhog day?

So you keep saying  - and as I keep saying - the same people who would not dream of leaving their children alone at home, do for some illogical reason leave their children alone and go to dinner when they are on holiday  - and in their thousands too.     

One of the main reasons being that it is a service which has been offered by reputable tour operators etc for years on end - without it resulting in any tragedies being reported -  to warn folk off   - and which has therefore lulled  them into a false sense of security.

Like it or not - that is a fact.

Actually I don't completely agree that you shouldn't leave your children asleep and go out for even a minute - as that means even going out into the garden to fetch the washing in after the kids are in bed asleep is wrong.    There's good sensible parenting and then there's over anxious paranoi  IMO.


AIMHO

Children have been abducted walking to and from school ... does that mean we should march them there only in a supervised crocodile?

Are or were Katie Hopkins' children ever allowed to walk to school or were they ferried there and back each day?

If her garden is big enough to hold a barbecue would she feel insecure about tucking her exhausted children up in bed with the front of the house locked ~ while she and her friends continued their evening outside?
I wonder if she has ever done so?

If she hasn't I'll guarantee many others have.   

[faithlilly]

Children have been abducted walking to and from school ... does that mean we should march them there only in a supervised crocodile?

Are or were Katie Hopkins' children ever allowed to walk to school or were they ferried there and back each day?

If her garden is big enough to hold a barbecue would she feel insecure about tucking her exhausted children up in bed with the front of the house locked ~ while she and her friends continued their evening outside?
I wonder if she has ever done so?

If she hasn't I'll guarantee many others have.

The difference with that scenario is the front of the house is secure and they are in sight of the back.

[Alfie]

And you were parading the Fenton fellow in the same way. Are you now saying their opinions hold the same validity?

I think I already did didn't I?

[Alfie]

It's obvious to most people that a columnist in a newspaper has more readers and more influence than some nobody writing his blog. Only someone with an agenda would give them equal weight in my opinion.

No one's disputing that are they?  But you seem to have shifted the goalposts somewhat.  Why?

[Alfie]

To re-cap: Katie is allowed to spout hateful, incendiary crap on any number of subjects and get paid for it, the rest of us plebs who don't get paid for an opinion are allowed to say exactly what we think of her hateful, incendiary crap.  Some of us (Tim Fenton included) put it more eloquently than others, though not everyone will agree with his thoughts on this particular subject.  I happen to agree with him and as he put it better than me I quoted his on-topic blog entry here.  I didn't expect for one minute that either G-Unit or Faithlilly would enjoy reading it, but tant-pis, if you don't want to hear negative views about the fragrant Ms Hopkins on this forum I strongly suggest you ignore my posts from now on.  Hope that's clear now.

[G-Unit]

Groundhog day?

So you keep saying  - and as I keep saying - the same people who would not dream of leaving their children alone at home, do for some illogical reason leave their children alone and go to dinner when they are on holiday  - and in their thousands too.     

One of the main reasons being that it is a service which has been offered by reputable tour operators etc for years on end - without it resulting in any tragedies being reported -  to warn folk off   - and which has therefore lulled  them into a false sense of security.

Like it or not - that is a fact.

Actually I don't completely agree that you shouldn't leave your children asleep and go out for even a minute - as that means even going out into the garden to fetch the washing in after the kids are in bed asleep is wrong.    There's good sensible parenting and then there's over anxious paranoi  IMO.


AIMHO

I will continue to repeat the truth for as many days as it takes. I did it before Katie Hopkins and Sharon Osborne spoke out and will carry on doing it for as long as others excuse or ignore it.

Which 'reputable tour operators' are you speaking of? This one perhaps?

By Roya Nikkhah12:01AM GMT 30 Jan 2005
Mark Warner, the British holiday company which promotes itself as being family friendly, has been forced to launch an investigation into the standards of its childcare after two of its nannies were sacked for endangering the lives of a group of toddlers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/1482383/Holiday-ski-resort-nannies-sacked-for-endangering-toddlers-lives.html

At Mark Warner, the BBC reporter was asked to accompany and supervise young children on a sailing trip without enough safety helmets for all the children, and take young children into the water without any assessment of her swimming ability. Also, at the Mark Warner resort in Egypt, a room listening service designed to check on children every 30 minutes whilst their parents are out, was found to be inappropriate because the staff could only listen at the door – they couldn't see if the children were all right or go into the rooms. Indeed, a Mark Warner nanny told the BBC undercover journalist that before the journalist arrived in April 07, a girl under the age of five had escaped through the window of a room and was found wandering around the complex within metres of the pool.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2008/03_march/05/whistleblower.shtml

I haven't searched for information on others but I would be surprised if nothing ever goes wrong. These holidays may be just right for a certain type of person, but they're not for everyone.

[Brietta]

The difference with that scenario is the front of the house is secure and they are in sight of the back.

Were I a burglar or someone intent on stealing a child I would note the activity at the back of the house;  I would be pleased for the overhanging vegetation giving me cover from the road at the front of the house;  a dark recessed door to which I had a 'bump' key would be a real bonus if there wasn't a shuttered window which the householder had supposed was for security ... and Bob's your uncle ... I could be in and out of your house before you had burnt another sausage on the grill.