Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?

[Holly Goodhead]

still at least he still has a mental state.5 others are stone dead and will never get the chance

That's sadly true rotti but it doesn't detract from the fact, whether JB is guilty or innocent, that his long incarceration and Cat A status means he is unlikely to help posters further their understanding of his case.  Eg it was obvious from the 'official' site that he didn't understand the science behind how a silencer works and subsonic bullets.

I've probably furthered my understanding of the case most by posting with Scipio.  Even though I disagreed with many of his conclusions.  He forced anyone who didn't want to end up looking very silly to up their game.  He certainly led the way in aspects of the case that hadn't previously been touched on anywhere else.

[Holly Goodhead]

No, I don't - when you ask someone a question and they can't remember, they say so. Not that they remember what the answer is (evasively) but not the question, which was in the letter I had just written him. He used stalling tactics. There were several other questions that I asked in the same letter and he answered those with no problem. The event was the single most important event of his life - not something you're going to forget.

What are you 'plausible' explanation?

Well I'm obviously not privy to your personal correspondence with JB so I'm not really in a position to comment. 

For the opium poppies or wallet?

It ain't half hot.  Sunbathing naked  . Bet you wish you were here 

[Caroline]

Well I'm obviously not privy to your personal correspondence with JB so I'm not really in a position to comment. 

For the opium poppies or wallet?

It ain't half hot.  Sunbathing naked  . Bet you wish you were here 

Grateful to be living in the north east 

[Holly Goodhead]

Grateful to be living in the north east 

Maybe not tomorrow when the south is still basking in sunshine    I'm afraid its like most things grim up north!

[Myster]

It ain't half hot.  Sunbathing naked  . Bet you wish you were here 

I'll meet you on Brighton Beach tomorrow, and we can take some hot selfies...

[APRIL]

I'll meet you on Brighton Beach tomorrow, and we can take some hot selfies...

Then I hope the Brighton beach, allocated to those who like it to all hang out, is kinder on the bum than the beach used by those who prefer to keep it confined

[Holly Goodhead]

I'll meet you on Brighton Beach tomorrow, and we can take some hot selfies...

I'm not that much of a beach babe! 

[Holly Goodhead]

As I said before Holly....JB may not have been lying, I also mentioned in a post  it isn't illegal to grow opium poppies.


I've found the following in Roger Wilkes book 'Blood Relations'.... Chapter 3 page 51

'Nevill Bamber was a shrewd and adventurous farmer. Anticipating a decline in the market for traditional cereals because of over- production, he was the first in the Blackwater area to see the potential of experimental crops such as borage,evening primrose, fenugreek and even opium poppies for use in alternative medicine preparations. This innovative streak was the subject of much approving comment. George Nichollls, a surveyor from Witham who carried out the annual valuation of the farm and it's contents for tax purposes, thought it augured well for the future. He described Nevill as 'a happy and considerate gentleman'.  When he visited the farm in June 1985 to discuss a rent review, Nevill told him how pleased he was with the way Jeremy was shaping up as a farmer. Indeed, when - a month after the murders - Nicholls visited the White House to make his annual valuation and stock take, he found the farm generally to be in good heart'.

JB also states - page 53 Blood Relations - Farming is very much a feel. It's experience with each field, and luck with the weather. I was happy to be Dad's understudy. It worked really well. We both had progressive ideas about diversifying our crop portfolio.

Sounds like all was above board with the opium poppies, and with all concerned.  Hope this helps.

I know next to nothing about alternative medicines/herbal remedies but it appears the government regulates the industry.  No idea what the position was in 1985. 

The following is a list of herbal medicines currently holding a traditional herbal registration (THR) granted by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/herbal-medicines-granted-a-traditional-herbal-registration-thr/herbal-medicines-granted-a-traditional-herbal-registration

I've been unable to find opium poppies on the above list but they do appear on the banned list:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/list-of-banned-or-restricted-herbal-ingredients-for-medicinal-use/banned-and-restricted-herbal-ingredients

[Holly Goodhead]

Poppycock?  Maybe.

Alternatively there may have been some serious wrongdoing at WHF.  If so who would present the greatest fear: the police visiting or, if involved, a drug cartel?

[Holly Goodhead]

Just remembered, the scientific name for the opium poppy is Papaver Somniferum.

[Caroline]

Maybe not tomorrow when the south is still basking in sunshine    I'm afraid its like most things grim up north!

Not a cloud in the sky - I'll post a picture for you and show you how grim it is here 

[Holly Goodhead]

As I said before Holly....JB may not have been lying, I also mentioned in a post  it isn't illegal to grow opium poppies.


I've found the following in Roger Wilkes book 'Blood Relations'.... Chapter 3 page 51

'Nevill Bamber was a shrewd and adventurous farmer. Anticipating a decline in the market for traditional cereals because of over- production, he was the first in the Blackwater area to see the potential of experimental crops such as borage,evening primrose, fenugreek and even opium poppies for use in alternative medicine preparations. This innovative streak was the subject of much approving comment. George Nichollls, a surveyor from Witham who carried out the annual valuation of the farm and it's contents for tax purposes, thought it augured well for the future. He described Nevill as 'a happy and considerate gentleman'.  When he visited the farm in June 1985 to discuss a rent review, Nevill told him how pleased he was with the way Jeremy was shaping up as a farmer. Indeed, when - a month after the murders - Nicholls visited the White House to make his annual valuation and stock take, he found the farm generally to be in good heart'.

JB also states - page 53 Blood Relations - Farming is very much a feel. It's experience with each field, and luck with the weather. I was happy to be Dad's understudy. It worked really well. We both had progressive ideas about diversifying our crop portfolio.

Sounds like all was above board with the opium poppies, and with all concerned.  Hope this helps.

Although author Roger Wilkes described NB as a "shrewd and adventurous farmer" with an "innovative streak" it doesn't appear that the "experimental crops" took off other than borage. 

The following is a gov report showing the statistical breakdown for livestock, crops and other produce as at Jun 2015 produced by farmers.  NB's experimental crops included:

- Borage
- Evening Primrose
- Fenugreek
- Opium Poppy

I can only find Borage in the report:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/486326/structure-jun2015final-uk-17dec15.pdf

[Holly Goodhead]

Not a cloud in the sky - I'll post a picture for you and show you how grim it is here 

Oh please include a selfie complete with bikini for Myster of course not me 

[Holly Goodhead]

CAL Page 137:

"Her [AE] parents returned with June and Nevill to White House Farm afterwards.  The men went off to inspect the borage field while the two sisters strolled about the garden before sitting down for coffee.

Source: PB WS 16th Sep 85.

So no inspecting of the opium poppies  &%+((£

[Myster]

Oh please include a selfie complete with bikini for Myster of course not me 

Providing Caro has had the strabismus corrected, since she scared the pants off me with her last photo upload!