Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?

[pegasus]

But I cant see it.

Please will you give me the video address so that I can judge for myself

Video address is http://youtu.be/CcuMowrbPDw

[ShiningInLuz]

http://youtu.be/CcuMowrbPDw
This is due south of the church. At 0m26s the large white building is restauarants including Chaplins (yellow sign) and left of Chaplins you can see a small part of the church. Between church and camera is visible the viewing platform under which is a large circular drain outlet.

I can't see why anyone would have Pegasus on block, but just in case that is the issue here, I'm simply bumping to ensure Sadie gets the link from Pegasus.
Sadie, it's at http://youtu.be/CcuMowrbPDw  Thank you, Pegasus.
I'll leave folks to make up their own mind as to whether this is practical, at night whilst carrying 12 to 16kg.  I am not willing to conduct that experiment.

[pegasus]

Nighttime video of the same rocky area
http://youtu.be/InJLmyakzeE?t=20m29s

[ShiningInLuz]

Nighttime video of the same rocky area
http://youtu.be/InJLmyakzeE?t=20m29s

Thanks, I had forgotten about that.  I notice that Mr Ligg is casting a distinct shadow from the video light, so he hasn't risked a broken leg or a turned ankle either.

After that it appears to be speculation.  For some reason, Mr Ligg asserts that the rocks were not searched that night.  I do not know whether they were or not, as I can find no evidence one way or the other.

Then he does the rainwater drain.  He asserts there are at least 8 of these, which I think is nonsense.  He asserts the drain was not searched.  I do not know whether it was or not.  I believe that on both dog visits to Luz, no dog was put into this drain to find if it alerted.  Presumably, neither the original investigation nor OG thought it relevant.  To be fair to Mr Ligg, he might not have known where Mr Grime's dogs were deployed, and he certainly couldn't know about the OG dogs.

[pathfinder73]

Thanks, I had forgotten about that.  I notice that Mr Ligg is casting a distinct shadow from the video light, so he hasn't risked a broken leg or a turned ankle either.

After that it appears to be speculation.  For some reason, Mr Ligg asserts that the rocks were not searched that night.  I do not know whether they were or not, as I can find no evidence one way or the other.

Then he does the rainwater drain.  He asserts there are at least 8 of these, which I think is nonsense.  He asserts the drain was not searched.  I do not know whether it was or not.  I believe that on both dog visits to Luz, no dog was put into this drain to find if it alerted.  Presumably, neither the original investigation nor OG thought it relevant.  To be fair to Mr Ligg, he might not have known where Mr Grime's dogs were deployed, and he certainly couldn't know about the OG dogs.

Do you know anyone who searched the rocks that night? I think there was a lack of torches for the volunteers to do any proper search in that location as Mr Ligg points out. Easy to hide something out there if not properly searched and I agree.

[ShiningInLuz]

Do you know anyone who searched the rocks that night? I think there was a lack of torches for the volunteers to do any proper search in that location as Mr Ligg points out. Easy to hide something out there if not properly searched and I agree.

The one thing we know in this respect, because it is in the files, is that some torches were available.

Personally, I can't see why these would be used in areas with street-lights, so what areas would they be used in?  The rocks is one answer.  But that hardly proves they were.

Without some info about whether those rocks were searched or not, it would appear we simply have Mr Ligg's speculation.

I am not convinced.

[sadie]

I can't see why anyone would have Pegasus on block, but just in case that is the issue here, I'm simply bumping to ensure Sadie gets the link from Pegasus.
Sadie, it's at http://youtu.be/CcuMowrbPDw  Thank you, Pegasus.
I'll leave folks to make up their own mind as to whether this is practical, at night whilst carrying 12 to 16kg.  I am not willing to conduct that experiment.

Thankyou Pegasus and thank you Shining.  Very good of you both.


And neither would I want negotiate that morass of rocks after dark .... and carrying a stolen child.

Soz PF, but I think you have hit a dead wall here.


Maybe further west where Shining suggested your one photo might be of, but a hell of a way to walk carrying a stolen or dead child .... and then some mighty rough ground to clamber over.  Nah, I don't think so.


So, tbh, I think you are barking up the wrong tree, Pathfinder 

[pathfinder73]

Thankyou Pegasus and thank you Shining.  Very good of you both.


And neither would I want negotiate that morass of rocks after dark .... and carrying a stolen child.

Soz PF, but I think you have hit a dead wall here.


Maybe further west where Shining suggested your one photo might be of, but a hell of a way to walk carrying a stolen or dead child .... and then some mighty rough ground to clamber over.  Nah, I don't think so.


So, tbh, I think you are barking up the wrong tree, Pathfinder

I must be on the right track if you disagree so thanks  Amaral said there was a witness who saw somebody at the beach. Guess who?

[sadie]

I must be on the right track if you disagree so thanks  Amaral said there was a witness who saw somebody at the beach. Guess who?

Oh do tell

[Heriberto Janosch]

Just at 22:00 the full Moon (98%) appeared in the sea horizon. At 22:30 it was at elevation 5º. Remember the angular size of Moon is 0.5º.

[pathfinder73]

Oh do tell

Gerry McCann.  I always found it strange that Kate in her book said they searched ditches, wasteland, bushes, holes? bins but not the nearby beach.

[Heriberto Janosch]

Just at 22:00 the full Moon (98%) appeared in the sea horizon. At 22:30 it was at elevation 5º. Remember the angular size of Moon is 0.5º.

Shining, you will find a similar condition on July 19. Maybe you can go to a poor illuminated point at Rua da Calheta (no need to go to the rocks) and tell us what do you see from there.

[sadie]

Gerry McCann.  I always found it strange that Kate in her book said they searched ditches, wasteland, bushes, holes? bins but not the nearby beach.

 

So Amaral said that Gerry McCann was on the rocks on May 3rd.?  At what time?

Which rocks were they?



BTW, we have photos of Gerry searching by the rocks on the beaches with his relative in broad daylight, so Kate accidently simply missed one place off her list.  Are you trying to make a meal out of that PF ?

[slartibartfast]

So Amaral said that Gerry McCann was on the rocks on May 3rd.?  At what time?

Which rocks were they?



BTW, we have photos of Gerry searching by the rocks on the beaches.

You seem to be answering yourself.

[sadie]

Just at 22:00 the full Moon (98%) appeared in the sea horizon. At 22:30 it was at elevation 5º. Remember the angular size of Moon is 0.5º.

Although I cannot claim to fully understand this info, I think that on these terribly rocky beaches, such a low level moon shine (?from the east?) would create deep shadows, making it thoroughly dangerous to even try traversing such rocks.

I do hope that Shining is able to check the situation as Heri suggests.  Can someone go with you Shining?


Thankyou Heri for your original and factual input.