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Offline pathfinder73

Gonçalo Amaral says that information provided by a woman who saw Maddie's father walking towards the beach disappeared from the files.

 A few days after Madeleine McCann disappeared from the Ocean Club holiday resort in Praia da Luz, Algarve, May 3, 2007 (seven years ago), a witness emerged: a British tourist who said she saw the girl's father to walk the beach at night.  The revelation was made by the former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral, who adds that the data of the witness disappeared.
 "We tried to recover this testimony and the documents that were in the British sphere and simply disappeared. Still do not know who this person is and where it is," said Goncalo Amaral. 

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« Last Edit: July 15, 2016, 06:12:15 PM by John »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline mercury

As regards who saw GM at the beach on the night, unless you believe GA just makes things up and nothng else, then read here...


http://portugalresident.com/new-revelations-as-mccanns-go-all-out-for-€1-million-in-damages


As Gerry McCann was due to testify today (June 16) in the long-running civil action for defamation that he and wife Kate have taken out against former detective Gonçalo Amaral, damning new claims about his behaviour on the night three-year-old Madeleine disappeared have appeared in the Portuguese press.

On Sunday, the headline of a story carried by Correio da Manhã proclaimed “Gerry searched for Maddie drunk”, while in the evening the policeman whose inconvenient theory the couple is demanding over a million euros in damages for went on television to describe how a key witness had placed Gerry McCann on Luz beach on the night Madeleine went missing - but how that witness’ testimony has since been “wiped from police records”.

The first story hinged on an account from farmer and former fisherman Cândido Furtado who lives a short walk from Luz church overlooking the beach.

Furtado told journalists how he had seen Gerry McCann “totally drunk” calling Madeleine’s name in the street in the early hours of the morning after she reportedly vanished.

“The father was walking at 1am with a bottle of wine in his hand,” Furtado told CM.

“He was calling the child’s name outside my door, and I asked him ‘what kind of noise is this?’ He said: ‘Menina, menina, embora, embora’.”

Father and grandfather Furtado said he told Gerry McCann to call the police, and then went fishing.

But as CM adds, “he had no doubts that Gerry McCann was drunk”. “You could see it instantly, by the way he was walking,” he told the paper.

Intriguingly, hours later, former police inspector Gonçalo Amaral went on air on CMTV to say Gerry McCann had also been seen on the beach on the night Madeleine went missing - but that the witness who placed him there (a British tourist) had her testimony wiped from police records.

“We have tried to recover the testimony and the documents that related to it. They simply disappeared. Still today we don’t know who this person is, or where she is,” he told the news channel.

Even more intriguing perhaps is a letter received in The Resident offices today claiming that Madeleine’s body is indeed buried in Praia da Luz, but not in any of the places searched so far.

Madeleine will be found under a nearby driveway to a private house, “very possibly inside a missing carry all tennis bag", wrote South African investigator Martin Van Wyk, who maintains the truth lies with the Tapas 13 - not the Tapas 7 “as everybody was made to believe”.

Adding that he knows his email, sent to a number of news sources and investigating police, “will be pushed to one side”, Wyk advises recipients “do not delete it, as you will later refer back to it and be calling me”.

As we wrote up these developments, Sky News reported that Gerry and Kate McCann had not yet been able to give their “victim impact assessments” to the Lisbon court. There has been a “delay in the proceedings”.

Whatever happens today however will not lead to any instant verdict. The case, which was brought out against Amaral in 2009, will need “a few weeks” consideration before the judge contacts the legal teams on both sides with her final decision.

By NATASHA DONN news@algarveresident.com


Sorry, PF cross posted
« Last Edit: July 12, 2016, 09:39:56 PM by John »

Offline pathfinder73

Thanks for the article Mercury. So seen close to the church beach location. Interesting just as I thought  &%+((£

"The first story hinged on an account from farmer and former fisherman Cândido Furtado who lives a short walk from Luz church overlooking the beach."
« Last Edit: June 24, 2016, 12:24:23 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline sadie

Gonçalo Amaral says that information provided by a woman who saw Maddie's father walking towards the beach disappeared from the files.

 A few days after Madeleine McCann disappeared from the Ocean Club holiday resort in Praia da Luz, Algarve, May 3, 2007 (seven years ago), a witness emerged: a British tourist who said she saw the girl's father to walk the beach at night.  The revelation was made by the former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral, who adds that the data of the witness disappeared.
 "We tried to recover this testimony and the documents that were in the British sphere and simply disappeared. Still do not know who this person is and where it is," said Goncalo Amaral. 

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Oh yeah ?

Bit vague, aint it?


Anyway, Gerry was out searching and could have been searching the beach.  Which part of the beach and what time ?

All very vague.
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Offline pathfinder73

Oh yeah ?

Bit vague, aint it?


Anyway, Gerry was out searching and could have been searching the beach.  Which part of the beach and what time ?

All very vague.
?

David Payne mentioned a beach search in his interview so it had to go in the book years later and now on Kate's insistence she took charge. David forgot that important point  8)-)))

"On my insistence, Gerry and Dave went out again to look for some sign of Madeleine. They went up and down the beach in the dark, running, shouting, desperate to find something; please God, to find Madeleine herself. It was only much later that Gerry told me he’d already started remembering cases of other missing children and acknowledging the horrific possibility that Madeleine might not be found. It was a possibility I could not have begun to contemplate."

Fascinating already thinking she wouldn't be found at a place where he was allegedly seen and where Smithman was heading. 

Fast forward a few hours no further beach searches  &%+((£

"Friday 4 May. Gerry and I resumed our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week. We jumped over walls and raked through undergrowth. We looked in ditches and holes. All was quiet apart from the sound of barking dogs, which added to the eeriness of the atmosphere. I remember opening a big dumpster-type bin and saying to myself, please God, don’t let her be in here. The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine."
« Last Edit: June 24, 2016, 12:50:47 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline sadie

David Payne mentioned a beach search in his interview so it had to go in the book years later and now on Kate's insistence she took charge. David forgot that important point  8)-)))

"On my insistence, Gerry and Dave went out again to look for some sign of Madeleine. They went up and down the beach in the dark, running, shouting, desperate to find something; please God, to find Madeleine herself. It was only much later that Gerry told me he’d already started remembering cases of other missing children and acknowledging the horrific possibility that Madeleine might not be found. It was a possibility I could not have begun to contemplate."

Fascinating already thinking she wouldn't be found at a place where he was allegedly seen and where Smithman was heading. 

Fast forward a few hours no further beach searches  &%+((£

"Friday 4 May. Gerry and I resumed our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week. We jumped over walls and raked through undergrowth. We looked in ditches and holes. All was quiet apart from the sound of barking dogs, which added to the eeriness of the atmosphere. I remember opening a big dumpster-type bin and saying to myself, please God, don’t let her be in here. The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine."
Pathfinder you amaze and exhaust me.

You also horrify me when you keep jumping to conclusions .... based on nothing.



Am off to bed now ...

Nigh Night, sleep well

Offline pathfinder73

Night night you too.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline sadie

Gerry on the rocks say Amaral, who says he said that?  Who saw him and at what time?  Was he searching after the alarm ?


Gerry and another man, his B-in-L (IIRC) were certainly searching the rocks and beaches AFTER May 4th.  There is photographic evidence of that.

So can we have proof that Gerry was on the beach and at what time, please.



Gerald McCann looking around the beach and rocks on Praia da Luz beach morning after Maddie disappeared.

Offline G-Unit

David Payne mentioned a beach search in his interview so it had to go in the book years later and now on Kate's insistence she took charge. David forgot that important point  8)-)))

"On my insistence, Gerry and Dave went out again to look for some sign of Madeleine. They went up and down the beach in the dark, running, shouting, desperate to find something; please God, to find Madeleine herself. It was only much later that Gerry told me he’d already started remembering cases of other missing children and acknowledging the horrific possibility that Madeleine might not be found. It was a possibility I could not have begun to contemplate."

Fascinating already thinking she wouldn't be found at a place where he was allegedly seen and where Smithman was heading. 

Fast forward a few hours no further beach searches  &%+((£

"Friday 4 May. Gerry and I resumed our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week. We jumped over walls and raked through undergrowth. We looked in ditches and holes. All was quiet apart from the sound of barking dogs, which added to the eeriness of the atmosphere. I remember opening a big dumpster-type bin and saying to myself, please God, don’t let her be in here. The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine."

All very dramatic, but what did David say?

Me and Gerry you know I'm not sure what time it was, it was you know between three and four o' clock when, again looking for her. We went down err through past the Ocean Club reception, we went down err to the beach ......he broke down with me on the front, you know. You know just very obviously a broken man, and you know we spent some time you know, not long, I was trying my best to console him, we went back then to the err the apartment, you know it's, by around about four, four thirty in the morning..............we must have, you know, err gone into bedrooms around about you know four, four thirty around that time. We err slept for a couple of hours, we woke up to find that you know Kate and Gerry had already been out looking
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

No running, no shouting mentioned.

Matthew got to bed a bit earlier;

we went to bed about sort of two, three, something like that'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Russell met an English woman when he was searching the beach with David and Matt;

she was an English woman in her, in her early or mid-twenties, fair or blonde’ish sort of hair, erm, I’d asked her if she’d seen, erm, you know, a little girl wandering around and, you know, I can’t remember what she said, but she was already aware that somebody was missing,...................

He seems to have gone to bed as the searches were winding down; 4 or 4.30 then?

MARK WARNER I think had largely decided as well that there was no obvious sign of her in the immediate vicinity and the fact that, you know, there was no-one outside at one point and when I went to bed everyone had gone, erm, clearly, well at least most of the GNR, I don’t know if there was anyone still there at all.............

Before that he was in 5H and Gerry was certainly there;

Erm, and, you know, Kate and Gerry were sort of sat on, they were sat on the sofas there or on the edge of the sofa, erm, absolutely broken, just, just, you know, hugging each other and or just sat there,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

It seems the only people who mentioned Gerry and David's search were David and Kate then.


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All very dramatic, but what did David say?

Me and Gerry you know I'm not sure what time it was, it was you know between three and four o' clock when, again looking for her. We went down err through past the Ocean Club reception, we went down err to the beach ......he broke down with me on the front, you know. You know just very obviously a broken man, and you know we spent some time you know, not long, I was trying my best to console him, we went back then to the err the apartment, you know it's, by around about four, four thirty in the morning..............we must have, you know, err gone into bedrooms around about you know four, four thirty around that time. We err slept for a couple of hours, we woke up to find that you know Kate and Gerry had already been out looking
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

No running, no shouting mentioned.

Matthew got to bed a bit earlier;

we went to bed about sort of two, three, something like that'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Russell met an English woman when he was searching the beach with David and Matt;

she was an English woman in her, in her early or mid-twenties, fair or blonde’ish sort of hair, erm, I’d asked her if she’d seen, erm, you know, a little girl wandering around and, you know, I can’t remember what she said, but she was already aware that somebody was missing,...................

He seems to have gone to bed as the searches were winding down; 4 or 4.30 then?

MARK WARNER I think had largely decided as well that there was no obvious sign of her in the immediate vicinity and the fact that, you know, there was no-one outside at one point and when I went to bed everyone had gone, erm, clearly, well at least most of the GNR, I don’t know if there was anyone still there at all.............

Before that he was in 5H and Gerry was certainly there;

Erm, and, you know, Kate and Gerry were sort of sat on, they were sat on the sofas there or on the edge of the sofa, erm, absolutely broken, just, just, you know, hugging each other and or just sat there,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

It seems the only people who mentioned Gerry and David's search were David and Kate then.
All terribly suspicious isn't it....? &%+((£

Offline pathfinder73

It is being so close to the church they got the keys for and where the prime suspect was heading when he passed the Smith family.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline ShiningInLuz

All very dramatic, but what did David say?

...

... We err slept for a couple of hours, we woke up to find that you know Kate and Gerry had already been out looking
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

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Can you remember seeing anything about who was looking after the twins during this early morning search?  I'm not asking you to search the T9 statements when I'm too lazy to do it myself.  Presumably it must have been Fiona Payne or Dianne Webster, and the above implies it was not Fiona, though David Payne's rog is a bit of a disaster zone.  Just wondering if you had seen a mention of it anywhere.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2016, 06:26:46 PM by ShiningInLuz »
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Offline Brietta

All terribly suspicious isn't it....? &%+((£

Absolutely!  One wonders why they haven't been locked up and the key thrown far, far away.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Can you remember seeing anything about who was looking after the twins during this early morning search?  I'm not asking you to search the T9 statements when I'm too lazy to do it myself.  Presumably it must have been Fiona Payne or Dianne Webster, and the above implies it was not Fiona, though David Payne's rog is a bit of a disaster zone.  Just wondering if you had seen a mention of it anywhere.

Kate asked Fiona to do it; she went to their bedroom. [Fiona's rog].
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Kate asked Fiona to do it; she went to their bedroom. [Fiona's rog].
Many thanks.

You know, I went through my query twice over, which is my norm, to make sure I got it right.  And I still didn't twig I was talking about Jane Tanner when I should have been talking about Fiona Payne.  Silly me!

Thanks again.
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