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Offline Robittybob1

I noticed on a sister forum (Shining in Luz??) that there was blood found on the road about 500 meters from the Ocean Club.  Unfortunately I didn't record the location.

Is anyone aware of an accident?

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Examination initiated on 06 May 2007

The report on the collection of blood vestiges carried out on 06 May 2007, from the wall, next to the main entrance of Quinta dos Figos, situated on Rua 1 de Maio, in Praia da Luz, in Lagos, is requested.

Observations and Analyses Made

A team from the Crime Scene section of the Scientific Police Laboratory, composed of the undersigned officers, after a request made by the Portimao DIC of the Policia Judiciaria, went to Rua 1 de Maio, in Praia da Luz, in Lagos, where we were requested to proceed to collect various stains, supposedly haematic that were on the wall and the ground in that street. This collection was within the area of investigation into the disappearance of an English girl.

Photo 1: Map of the scene showing the entrance to Quinta dos Figos encircled in red.



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Upon the team's arrival at the scene it was reported to us by the inspectors present that the supposed blood stains were found on a wall and on the ground close to the wall, next to main entrance of Quinta dos Figos

Photo 2 : Panoramic view of the site where the supposed blood stains were found.

Photos 3 , 4 and 5: Entrance to the Quinta dos Figos where eventual biological vestiges were found and detail of the plaque with the name of the property and of the plaque with the street name.



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Photo 6: Shot of the area of the Quinta dos Figos wall where the supposed blood stains were found.

From the observation made of the wall and its proximities various stains were detected with a brownish red colour which suggested that they could be of haematic origin. These were submitted to tests to detect peroxide existing in the blood using the Kastle-Mayer test, in both cases the reactions were positive.

The stain referred to as vestige no. 3 was further submitted for testing to determine whether the blood was of animal origin, but reacted positively as being human blood.

The blood stains mentioned previously were separated by zones and referenced as vestige no. 1 those being the stains found on the gravel ground, vestiges no. 2 being the blood stains that were found on top of the wall and vestige no. 3 as being the stains that were found on the ground in the area where there cobblestones.



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Photo 7: Shot of vestiges 1, 2 and 3.

Photos 8 and 9: Detail of vestige 1



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Photos 10 and 11: Detail of vestige 2.

Photos 12 and 13: Detail of vestige 3

Photo 14: Indicator test of the presence of human blood

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The collection of the vestiges indicated as vestiges nos. 1, 2 and 3 was begun using slightly moistened swabs, in accordance with the procedures of the Scientific Police Laboratory's Biology Area.

Conclusion:

Upon the request of the Portimao DIC present at the site, collection was made of 3 swabs containing blood vestiges, referred to in this report as vestiges nos. 1,2 and 3, which were delivered to the Biology Area, by means of delivery guide no. 189/2007 - CR/L, copy of which is annexed, in order to be preserved for further/eventual forensic examinations.

The test for the determination of animal species carried out on vestige 3 was placed in an evidence bag series A no. 022917 and delivered to the Portimao DIC.

Lisbon, 31st May 2007.
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Offline pegasus

I noticed on a sister forum (Shining in Luz??) that there was blood found on the road about 500 meters from the Ocean Club.  Unfortunately I didn't record the location.

Is anyone aware of an accident?
On Rua 1 Maio, about 400 metres north from Rua do Ramalhete
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Offline sadie

On Rua 1 Maio, about 400 metres north from Rua do Ramalhete

How did you find that out Pegasus ?

Which side of the road ?

And precisely where?

Thanks in anticipation.

Offline pegasus

How did you find that out Pegasus ?
Which side of the road ?
And precisely where?
Thanks in anticipation.
In the files, east side, near the gateway just south of the roundabout. Processos p1810-1818
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Offline Robittybob1

On Rua 1 Maio, about 400 metres north from Rua do Ramalhete
Has anyone looked this location up on Google Earth?
So that would make it less than 500 meters from the Ocean Club resort.
A 3-4 year old could wander that far no problem.
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In the files, east side, near the gateway just south of the roundabout. Processos p1810-1818
Could someone please help me find the text to the above pages in the file?
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Offline sadie

Has anyone looked this location up on Google Earth?
So that would make it less than 500 meters from the Ocean Club resort.
A 3-4 year old could wander that far no problem.

Yep I have looked it up on GE. Yep, I have been there.

From memory, up a long steep hill.

And if she looked to the left as she left Rua Aghostinho de Silva then she would see the sea and it was downhill.   Kids love the sea and all that is associated with it.   She had been there with her parents too.

Why would a little girl walk away from the sea, from places her parents might be .... and go uphill in a direction that she didn't know?


Sorry Robitty, but it doesn't gel .



Offline Robittybob1

Yep I have looked it up on GE. Yep, I have been there.

From memory, up a long steep hill.

And if she looked to the left as she left Rua Aghostinho de Silva then she would see the sea and it was downhill.   Kids love the sea and all that is associated with it.   She had been there with her parents too.

Why would a little girl walk away from the sea, from places her parents might be .... and go uphill in a direction that she didn't know?


Sorry Robitty, but it doesn't gel .
I wasn't implying the car accident happened to Madeleine but someone else's little girl.  We have Madeleine under observation for most of the time on that night in the New Theory.
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Offline pegasus

Could someone please help me find the text to the above pages in the file?
pages 1810-1818
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm#pf1810
"... From the observation made of the wall and its proximities various stains were detected with a brownish red colour which suggested that they could be of haematic origin. These were submitted to tests to detect peroxide existing in the blood using the Kastle-Mayer test, in both cases the reactions were positive. The stain referred to as vestige no. 3 was further submitted for testing to determine whether the blood was of animal origin, but reacted positively as being human blood..."
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Offline John

The route from Apartment 5a to the entrance to Quinta dos Figos, a distance of 600 metres.

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Offline Robittybob1

Test done on the blood samples:
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The present inquiry is in relation to the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on 3rd May from P da L.

The English authorities in possession of elements collected from the family home in Leicestershire, which are being examined in an unidentified laboratory, traced the girl's DNA profile, in annex to this document.

As it is necessary to the investigation we request the following:

1. Whether in the tests done by the INML Madeleine's profile was established?

2. In the case of a positive answer to point 1, that it should be determined whether the girl is the daughter of the parents identified ? Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Healy.

3. Information about whether the profile obtained by the INML corresponds to the profile traced in the English laboratory, on the request of the British authorities.

4. If there are differences between the English and Portuguese profiles that a report should be drawn up for this inquiry.

5. In the follow-up of point 4, we request to be informed whether in the English profile the girl is the daughter of the McCann couple.

6. Other information that might be of use to the investigation.

Signed G. Amaral
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Offline Robittybob1

Results of the above tests:
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Detection and Analysis of Amplified DNA

The detection and analysis of the amplified DNA was carried out in the automatic sequencer ABI Prism Genetic Analyser.

Conclusion

- In the swabs described in lines 1, 2 and 3, blood vestiges were found.
- In the swab described in line 4 very slight traces of blood were found.
- In the DNA analysis of the haematic vestiges detected in the swabs described in lines 1 and 2 a profile was obtained belonging to an individual of the male sex.
- In the DNA analysis of the swab described in line 3 only some results were obtained from the loci that were studied. According to the results obtained a mixture of biological traces belonging to more than one individual were found, it only being possible to indicate the profile of the main contributor who presented an identity of polymorphisms for a set of loci studied with the profile described in the previous line.
- There is no identity of polymorphisms of the haematic vestiges detected in the swabs described in lines 1, 2 and 3 with the profiles sent by email on 8th November 2007 and in the letter number 034308 of the 4th October 2007.
- In the DNA analysis of the haematic vestiges detected in the swab described in line 4 results were only obtained from some of the loci studied, corresponding to the profile of an individual of the female sex. According to the results obtained, there is no polymorphism identity with the profiles sent by email on 8th November 2007 and in the letter number 034308 of the 4th October 2007.

Return of material: return the remains of the material received for examination.

15th November 2007

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Offline Carana

It's not quite clear why João Carlos took No. 3...


07 Processos Vol VII Page 1818
07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1818

Policia Judiciara

NUIPC-201 070 GALGS
4th Brigade
Inspector Joao Carlos



Terms Of Withdrawal


I consign to the case files that I proceeded to the withdrawal of vestige no. 3 (evidence bag no. 022917) to which the previous report refers, with the aim of depositing it later.

Conclusion


Portimao
12th June 2007


Signed
Inspector Joao Carlos
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm


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From the lab. 1 & 2 were of a male. The result of No. 3 was a partial mixed profile, with the main contributor being whoever that male was.

 
Conclusion

- In the swabs described in lines 1, 2 and 3, blood vestiges were found.
- In the swab described in line 4 very slight traces of blood were found.
- In the DNA analysis of the haematic vestiges detected in the swabs described in lines 1 and 2 a profile was obtained belonging to an individual of the male sex.
- In the DNA analysis of the swab described in line 3 only some results were obtained from the loci that were studied. According to the results obtained a mixture of biological traces belonging to more than one individual were found, it only being possible to indicate the profile of the main contributor who presented an identity of polymorphisms for a set of loci studied with the profile described in the previous line.

- There is no identity of polymorphisms of the haematic vestiges detected in the swabs described in lines 1, 2 and 3 with the profiles sent by email on 8th November 2007 and in the letter number 034308 of the 4th October 2007.