Report on blood vestiges found next to the main entrance of Quinta dos Figos.

[mercury]

So how dumb of me to misunderstand your post #54
"The blood stains were on top of the wall, and on the ground next to the wall.
One of the samples was confirmed by forensic lab to be human blood not animal.
What scenario could explain this? "

So are you saying the other three had animal blood and only one had human blood or something along those lines?

Well that still fits in with Abraham's experience for there was a ram caught by the horns in a thicket and it was sacrificed instead.
It could happen in a situation of severe depression where someone acts out a Biblical scene.

post 54 was not me
Scary, dont contemplate it
No there was no animal blood found,my mistake

[Robittybob1]

post 54 was not me
Scary, dont contemplate it
No there was no animal blood found,my mistake

Sorry #53 not #54.  Fair enough.  But it doesn't say there was no animal blood either.
But if it is blood and not human blood, one would expect that to mean it was animal blood as the default situation.

[Carana]

That is what I meant.  You need to have the perpetrator in the database first. You can do a DNA test on blood but you need a database which includes the victim or the perpetrator to make a match.  Only then can you say whether it is relevant to the whole scenario or not.
At least they determined it wasn't Madeleine's blood.

It depends what you mean by "database". The police asked quite a few people to allow them to take a DNA swab, so the INML (the DNA lab) had those profiles to compare the blood to. Hardly the equivalent of a national, let alone Europol database, though.

[Carana]

I thought there was no animal blood.  I was thinking of the story of Abraham having to sacrifice Isaac, maybe someone else intervened and stopped the sacrifice happening (just a little nick only) and cut his hand in the process (blood gushed out). As it says in Genesis "The hand of the Lord stopped it".

There WASN't any animal blood. It's the wording of the PJ report that's led to the confusion.

It said that a test was done to determine the "species of animal". The species of animal was human.

There is no logical reason as to why they'd be interested in whether it was a cat or a dog. They just wanted to check whether it was human or animal blood, and did so on one of the samples. As one turned out positive for human blood, they took swabs of the other two as well.

And once the lab was finally given the samples to test for DNA, they would have noticed if any of the three had had animal DNA in them.

[Carana]

Sorry #53 not #54.  Fair enough.  But it doesn't say there was no animal blood either.
But if it is blood and not human blood, one would expect that to mean it was animal blood as the default situation.

Except that the tests showed that the animal was human...

[Robittybob1]

Except that the tests showed that the animal was human...

That makes sense but is it right? 

[ShiningInLuz]

The samples definitely cannot be connected to any of those who had a sample taken in the process of the investigation.

Does anyone know if or how far down the road Portugal has got in the establishment of a National DNA Database?

https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2015/06/30/madeleine-dna-in-portugal/  This covers the Portuguese national DNA database from its inception through its first success to a fairly current total for number of entries.  The way in which entries are added and removed is quite different to the UK system, so it is basically non-comparable.

[Carana]

That makes sense but is it right?

Well, it could be Martian juice, I suppose...

Let's see.

It looked like blood.

The forensic police did a test with the gadget you can see in one of the photos above. It indicated human blood.

The DNA lab tests showed human DNA.

[Robittybob1]

Well, it could be Martian juice, I suppose...

Let's see.

It looked like blood.

The forensic police did a test with the gadget you can see in one of the photos above. It indicated human blood.

The DNA lab tests showed human DNA.

I'll have another look at it.  It just fries my brain following the flow of those reports. 

[ShiningInLuz]

I'll have another look at it.  It just fries my brain following the flow of those reports.

A friendly suggestion.  As the thread has established the blood was from a male, thus not Madeleine, you might wish to simply accept that.

It would take a highly convoluted theory to link male blood to Madeleine's disappearance.

A simpler, and much more probable explanation, is that someone tripped over on the loose calcadas (cobbles).  The surface of anything finished with calcadas is uneven, and when you go over, they are sufficiently sharp that it is normal to end up with something bleeding.

The area of Luz around NECI, a charity helping children with learning difficulties, was paved with a flat honeycomb-shaped tile, presumably to remove this safety hazard.

I often see elderly Portuguese choosing to walk on the tarmac on a road rather than chancing the calcadas on the pavements.

[Carana]

A friendly suggestion.  As the thread has established the blood was from a male, thus not Madeleine, you might wish to simply accept that.

It would take a highly convoluted theory to link male blood to Madeleine's disappearance.

A simpler, and much more probable explanation, is that someone tripped over on the loose calcadas (cobbles).  The surface of anything finished with calcadas is uneven, and when you go over, they are sufficiently sharp that it is normal to end up with something bleeding.

The area of Luz around NECI, a charity helping children with learning difficulties, was paved with a flat honeycomb-shaped tile, presumably to remove this safety hazard.

I often see elderly Portuguese choosing to walk on the tarmac on a road rather than chancing the calcadas on the pavements.

That sounds far more likely to me as well. On the other hand, IMO, it really should have been DNA tested far earlier simply to eliminate the blood as potentially being Madeleine's.

[ShiningInLuz]

That sounds far more likely to me as well. On the other hand, IMO, it really should have been DNA tested far earlier simply to eliminate the blood as potentially being Madeleine's.

I would agree with that, at least in principle.

What I do not have is a nailed-down understanding of how Team Amaral (aka the PJ, GNR etc) worked at the time - in a logistical sense.

They appeared to have office support tools that simply were not up to the requirements of this case.  Paper based files.  So many instances of the LH seeming not knowing what the RH was doing.  And it looks like the principal organisation tool was memory.

It took me months to get my head wrapped round the basics, and even that was achieved by ignoring large slabs that do not interest me, such as multiple world-wide sightings and hoaxers galore.

It must have been chaos at the time.

[Brietta]

https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2015/06/30/madeleine-dna-in-portugal/  This covers the Portuguese national DNA database from its inception through its first success to a fairly current total for number of entries.  The way in which entries are added and removed is quite different to the UK system, so it is basically non-comparable.

Thanks, Shining.
I know there are various privacy and security issues connected with DNA data being gathered and stored and wondered if Portugal had restrictions due to judicial secrecy laws.