Previous deaths directly and indirectly associated with apartment 5a.

[Carana]

I don't agree. It makes no difference where one or both grandparents died because once something touches cadaverine then it cannot be got rid of.  Sadie makes a good point about this, contaminated clothing and personal effects relating to one or both grandparents could very well have been returned to 5a and put in that built-in wardrobe.

However, wouldn't it be great if Tasmin Sillence were to get in touch and tell us for sure?

From memory, the grandad didn't die in PdL (and no, it would take forever to find a link all over again). However, it's entirely possible that some sentimental item or other from the time of death - or even ashes - were in that flat.

An issue that doesn't seem to have been resolved is that the gran appeared to have lived there for quite some time as a widow, then sadly died as well.

Did the gran live with her husband's bed in her bedroom, or was the conversion to a rental unit done afterwards? If so, where did the extra furniture come from?

ETA: I tried to find a link as to where Tasmin's grandad died, but without success so far. It's possible that I was confusing him with Ruth McCann's husband, who died in Liverpool in 2006.
    
Who owns Apartment 5A?
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id21.html

[John]

Not really. She probably couldn't say anything that isn't already in the public domain.

The risk for her is that the extremist community may well attempt to dissect her life to the nth degree to "prove" the latest conspiracy theory and quite possibly make various mini-Spielberg episodes about even a sneeze as somehow representing something suspicious.

Oh come on Carana, she would know the how and where of it all, something which is not in the public domain.  Foir example it would be interesting to know where they died and where they were waked.  Also, if indeed clothing and personal effects were returned to 5a.

You raise some good questions yourself above.

[Carana]

Oh come on Carana, she would know the how and where of it all, something which is not in the public domain.  Foir example it would be interesting to know where they died and where they were waked.  Also, if indeed clothing and personal effects were returned to 5a.

You raise some good questions yourself above.

I do remember where gramps allegedly died, and it wasn't in PdL, nor even in PT. However, I really can't be bothered (for once) to hunt for a link. I don't know about granny. *

TS was 12 at the time of the disappearance and therefore no doubt younger at the time of her grandparents' deaths. Whatever personal keepsakes there may - or may not - have been, they may well not have been the sort of thing that one would discuss with a child.

What difference does it make anyway?

If she has remembered other details of potential significance, she may have already contacted OG.

* Double-checking, Ruth McCann's husband died in Liverpool in 2006. I'm no longer sure where Tasmin's grandparents died.

[mercury]

IMO, John, there could be quite a few explanations as to Eddie's reaction. Simply casually asking around if anyone was aware of anyone who'd previously died in that flat does not constitute a full investigation into further leads with a potentially innocent or irrelevant explanation.

Grime may have over-egged his marketing pudding, but the original PJ team didn't seem to have taken too much trouble to investigate further, either.

It wasn't until later that that PT law enforcement was tiptoeing around the delicate diplomatic issue of wondering WTF Eddie was actually reacting to, if anything, of potential significance.

Where did you get the impression the PJ just "casually asked around"? as opposed to check all records? Didnt GA write about this in his book?

[pegasus]

Knowing a little about the molecules that form during decomposition, none of them would be associated with the ashes of a cremated person.
I would hazard a guess that cadaver dogs would not react to human ash remains.

Nonsense- unless you pretend know better than the authorities in California who used cadaver dogs to search for victim remains in ruins burnt out by wildfires.
Here's a picture



"A San Bernardino Fire Department firefighter works with a cadaver dog searching the ruins for anyone who may have been overrun by the flames of a wildfire along State"

[pegasus]

Completely irrelevant IMO but according to files, case had been to Derry a few weeks before

[faithlilly]

I know we have touched on this previously Sadie but it is so relevant that it should have its own thread.

From Tasmin's police statement...

"She also mentions that she lived in the apartment where the missing child was staying, that belonged to her Grandmother, who is already deceased. That she didn't actually reside there, but spent extensive and repeated periods of time there, with her Grandmother and her Mother. The apartment was bought in 1994 and sold in 2002 and therefore she knows it perfectly, both from the inside and from the outside."

My own feeling is that there had been items stored in the apartment associated with the deceased grandparents and that was the source of the cadaver alerts.  Further, I don't recall the dog handler mentioning this in his report so could it be he was never briefed in respect of these previous occurrences associated with 5a?

PS. The man Tasmin saw btw was Michael Anthony Green, subsequently eliminated from the investigation.

Tamsin doesn't mention her grandfather so as far as we know her grandparents could have been divorced. There is nothing in her statement that would lead us to believe  that her grandfather ever lived in 5a never mind died there.

It really isn't helpful when posters constantly put two and two together and make five.

[sadie]

Tamsin doesn't mention her grandfather so as far as we know her grandparents could have been divorced. There is nothing in her statement that would lead us to believe  that her grandfather ever lived in 5a never mind died there.

It really isn't helpful when posters constantly put two and two together and make five.

Yep they could have been divorced ... and they could have been together and very fond of each other.

I see no harm in discussing the possibilities that ashes or the deceased clothing could have given out a cadavar odour.   Do you ?

[mercury]

It just happens that maybe ashes or clothng from the past may have been the reason for eddies alerts in 5a and nowhere else

It just MUST be anythng except a dead body of the missing child

Its qute laughable when noone knows for a fact that it couldnt have been

[Robittybob1]

Nonsense- unless you pretend know better than the authorities in California who used cadaver dogs to search for victim remains in ruins burnt out by wildfires.
Here's a picture
http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_fire2_dc_160821_12x5_1600.jpg
"A San Bernardino Fire Department firefighter works with a cadaver dog searching the ruins for anyone who may have been overrun by the flames of a wildfire along State"

Completely different situation.  Wildfire burning a body is very different to the incineration you get with cremation.

[misty]

Completely different situation.  Wildfire burning a body is very different to the incineration you get with cremation.

Cremation ashes contain pulverised bone fragments.
https://www.cremationsolutions.com/information/scattering-ashes/all-about-cremation-ashes/

Cadaver dogs can locate 100 year old bone fragments. (Eddie at Haut de la Garenne)

[mercury]

I did give a video link (to make it easy for people) post 4
Was ignored, oh well,

[Robittybob1]

I did give a video link (to make it easy for people) post 4
Was ignored, oh well,

I've looked at that video but I didn't get the point you were trying to make.  Itemise the exact location and point please.

[pegasus]

In NI Eddie alerted to a torched Hyundai (deliberately soaked in petrol then ignited) in which there was no body but a body had previously been.

[pegasus]

I did give a video link (to make it easy for people) post 4
Was ignored, oh well,

Yes 100 year old skeletised remains from pelvic cavity area.