Author Topic: No blood in the rifle barrel - conclusive proof of guilt?  (Read 3971 times)

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Offline rotti

Re: No blood in the rifle barrel - conclusive proof of guilt?
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2016, 09:08:12 PM »
Holly - I always find your posts very interesting and well researched, even if I sometimes don't agree with you. Thank you for replying to mine. It's all a bit technical for my feeble brain but will keep at it!  You seem to have a wide knowledge of forensics, are you a scientist?

Scipio - please don't stop posting on the JB forum - I love reading your posts, and they have been instrumental in changing my mind from innocent to (probably) guilty.
i think mike has banned scipio.pauline

Offline rotti

Re: No blood in the rifle barrel - conclusive proof of guilt?
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2016, 09:11:31 PM »
"The blood in the moderator was planted. One can easily unscrew the device by hand, then the baffle plates fall out the tube. Dry or liquid blood can then be placed on the baffle plates before the moderator is reassembled.

The abrasion marks on Sheila's chin show the moderator was not attached when the shots were fired.

https://youtu.be/VeLsEeE0zTI"

(Sorry - don't know how to show previous posts that I'm replying to, so have just copied and pasted!)

Do you mean the relatives planted the blood? I don't see how they could have had access to Sheila's blood - they were not at the crime scene until days later when everything had been cleared away, and anyway, how did they know her blood type! The lab could have planted it, but that is much too far-fetched to be feasible.

On balance I believe it was her blood/DNA in the moderator, and that's why Jeremy Bamber is still in jail.
hi pauline .they say it could have come from sheilas nickers which were found in a bucket of water by ae

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: No blood in the rifle barrel - conclusive proof of guilt?
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2016, 06:57:08 PM »
Try reading

study of 653 revolvers, 242 pistols, 181 shotguns, and 124 rifles used in suicides

Absence of blood on or in the barrel does not preclude a close range or contact wound


 
Try telling that to the Texas Forensic Science Commission that conducted the study


I know how to read but clearly you do not and since you were corrected so many times at this point once is forced to conclude you are intentionally misrepresenting. 

Did you miss the part about close range? By definition someone committing suicide by shooting himself/herself is firing the weapon at either close range or contact range because people do not have arms long enough to pull a trigger at intermediate or long range.

The study did not consider only contact wounds but rather simply suicides without regard to whether a contact wound or not, and simply concluded all shots had to be close range or contact range because people do not possess arms as long as plasticman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101435/3020845-plastic-man.jpg


The commission conclusion is simplistic and largely useless.   All it concludes is that IN GENERAL there can be situations in which blood doesn't get in the barrel though it will get in the barrel a majority of the time.   


This simplistic general conclusion doesn't separate contact wounds from close range.  Nor does it separate drawback from a tiny drop of blood that got less than 5mm inside.


This simplistic study doesn't speak to the issues at hand at all. It's useless in a court of law. They didn't do their study in hopes it would be cited in a court of law.


To be used in a court of law one has to examine the precise conditions at issue which means the wound itself to assess whether that wound will result in backspatter or not and if so whether it was at contact range and thus the backspatter would go deep inside the barrel.  General statistics are useless.  Specific statistics regarding a shot to a neck filled with blood would be relevant but that study nor any others have looked at such specific issue.  Medical experts are stuck using their expertise to assess such.


That those conducting the study found that most but not all contact wounds result in blood getting in a barrel is meaningless.   That a shot to a different location of the body than the neck and an area that was not filled with blood from internal hemorrhaging  like Sheila's neck was is totally meaningless.  It is like comparing an apple and a Watermelon and conclusion that since you can't bite into a watermelon that you can't bite into an apple.
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: No blood in the rifle barrel - conclusive proof of guilt?
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2016, 06:58:49 PM »
Holly - I always find your posts very interesting and well researched, even if I sometimes don't agree with you. Thank you for replying to mine. It's all a bit technical for my feeble brain but will keep at it!  You seem to have a wide knowledge of forensics, are you a scientist?

Scipio - please don't stop posting on the JB forum - I love reading your posts, and they have been instrumental in changing my mind from innocent to (probably) guilty.

I was banned on blue but will return here on occasion.
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli