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Alfie

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #360 on: September 19, 2016, 12:26:10 PM »
She said;

the deponent states that because she has been in Portugal for a long time and knows many people, she decided to mount a "post" to collect information in order to be able to determine things about the subject and thus could channel them to the competent authorities. For three days (Friday 11/05, Saturday 12/05 and Sunday 13/05) she was at the "post" mounted near to the cinema having obtained some information that she gave to Robert who, in turn, gave it to the Police.
--- Her idea was to try to sensitise people not to feel intimidated by the presence of police and lead them to give all the information that they knew.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JENNIFER-MURAT.htm

You are assuming that intimidated means scared.

Sensitise; make people aware. Intimidated; overawed.

So her aim can be seen as an effort to make people aware there was no need to feel overawed by the police presence.
Selective choice of definition there.  The primary definition of 'intimidate' is

1.

to make timid; fill with fear.

But of course you "know" that's not what Mrs Murat meant, right?



Alfie

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #361 on: September 19, 2016, 12:33:54 PM »
I don't think anyone has the right to suggest that people stay quiet because they're scared without explaining why they think that. As it stands, it's an unfounded allegation.
Oh and whilst we're on the subject of "rights", do you think anyone has the right to suggest that someone else hid their child's body in a fridge or a coffin in a church without providing any actual evidence for this?   
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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #362 on: September 19, 2016, 12:35:06 PM »

The McCanns were still arguidos.   The DCC would have caused a diplomatic incident had he appeared to do anything which even hinted that he disagreed with that decision by the PT police force.     Releasing the files to arguidos would have given that impression imo.

IMO he tried to steer a middle road by making the statement he did.

The McCanns were badly advised to expect or to even ask for the release of files - while they were still arguidos imo.

They may have had good advice and chosen to disregard it.
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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #363 on: September 19, 2016, 12:41:06 PM »
Selective choice of definition there.  The primary definition of 'intimidate' is

1.

to make timid; fill with fear.

But of course you "know" that's not what Mrs Murat meant, right?

I just couldn't imagine Mrs Murat suggesting to the PJ that she believed people were afraid of them. Assuming her statement was designed to help her son that might have been a bad move. Even if she was using your definition it was their presence she said might be intimidating people, not them as such.
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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #364 on: September 19, 2016, 12:44:38 PM »
She said;

the deponent states that because she has been in Portugal for a long time and knows many people, she decided to mount a "post" to collect information in order to be able to determine things about the subject and thus could channel them to the competent authorities. For three days (Friday 11/05, Saturday 12/05 and Sunday 13/05) she was at the "post" mounted near to the cinema having obtained some information that she gave to Robert who, in turn, gave it to the Police.
--- Her idea was to try to sensitise people not to feel intimidated by the presence of police and lead them to give all the information that they knew.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JENNIFER-MURAT.htm

You are assuming that intimidated means scared.

Sensitise; make people aware. Intimidated; overawed.

So her aim can be seen as an effort to make people aware there was no need to feel overawed by the police presence.



Pure nitpicking IMO.     There is only one credible reason why she thought people would not want to get involved with the police and that is because they were scared to.    Not surprising if they knew about the Cipriano case and that the lead policeman who had just been made an arguido regarding the torture of a witness was someone who could be questioning them.

Although even without that particular knowledge I believe that many of the  indiginous population would be well aware of the 'vigorous' methods of interrogation employed by some police officers - particular those officers of the 'old school'.        IIRC there is an interview where Amaral's mate confirms what would have happened to Kate in the 'old days'.    Words to the effect that she would have been in prison before she knew what had hit her.  (no pun intended).   From memory so am happy to retract if necessary.


 AIMHO


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Alfie

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #365 on: September 19, 2016, 12:44:43 PM »
I just couldn't imagine Mrs Murat suggesting to the PJ that she believed people were afraid of them. Assuming her statement was designed to help her son that might have been a bad move. Even if she was using your definition it was their presence she said might be intimidating people, not them as such.
Why is that then?

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #366 on: September 19, 2016, 12:46:22 PM »
They may have had good advice and chosen to disregard it.

Yes that could have been the case.    Who knows?

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #367 on: September 19, 2016, 12:50:26 PM »
They may have had good advice and chosen to disregard it.
Wasn't it they wanted to progress the case as much and as quick as they could?
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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #368 on: September 19, 2016, 01:00:06 PM »
Oh and whilst we're on the subject of "rights", do you think anyone has the right to suggest that someone else hid their child's body in a fridge or a coffin in a church without providing any actual evidence for this?

I haven't got cites for those. Do you?
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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #369 on: September 19, 2016, 01:01:43 PM »
I haven't got cites for those. Do you?
I've seen them on YT videos
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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #370 on: September 19, 2016, 01:06:19 PM »
Wasn't it they wanted to progress the case as much and as quick as they could?

Supposition.
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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #371 on: September 19, 2016, 01:08:28 PM »
Supposition.
It is from the book isn't it?
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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #372 on: September 19, 2016, 01:08:57 PM »

Pure nitpicking IMO.     There is only one credible reason why she thought people would not want to get involved with the police and that is because they were scared to.    Not surprising if they knew about the Cipriano case and that the lead policeman who had just been made an arguido regarding the torture of a witness was someone who could be questioning them.

Although even without that particular knowledge I believe that many of the  indiginous population would be well aware of the 'vigorous' methods of interrogation employed by some police officers - particular those officers of the 'old school'.        IIRC there is an interview where Amaral's mate confirms what would have happened to Kate in the 'old days'.    Words to the effect that she would have been in prison before she knew what had hit her.  (no pun intended).   From memory so am happy to retract if necessary.


 AIMHO

All suposition imo.
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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #373 on: September 19, 2016, 01:13:30 PM »
Why is that then?

You can't work out why a suspect's mother might take care not to offend those who suspected him?
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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #374 on: September 19, 2016, 01:18:40 PM »