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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2016, 04:07:27 PM »
I think the reason for the 'remorse' things is simple. Prison should punish and rehbailitate. If someone is innocent they can't show remorse for something they did not do, However if someone has had time to reflect  their behaviour and adjusted their thinking on their crime then it would show they had indeed been rehabilitated by prison time  and was encouraged to start with a clean slate so to speak. Of course soe people showd remorse for a few weeks then went back to old ways, some reinvented themselves and became great intergrated members of society.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2018, 10:22:26 AM »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2018, 12:06:30 PM »
Do you think this man showed remorse before being released on license http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6113685/Daughter-warned-mother-hooked-murderer-kill-too.html then re-offending?

Do you think he may have duped the prison authorities; including forensic psychologists etc?

Or do you think the prison authorities and probation services knew of his pathology before he was released to re offend?
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Offline Sunny

Re: How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2018, 04:08:05 PM »
I would think it was almost impossible to tell if a guilty person in prison was genuinely remorseful.    Even if Myra Hindley had given the details of where the remaining children were buried it may have been a ploy to get her out of jail as I am sure some that appear to show remorse are aiming for too.

I am sure there are some that genuinely show remorse whilst in prison but the only way to certainly know is whether or not they reoffend once they are out IMO.

I have heard of ex- gang members jailed for being involved in knife crime joining charities and working with young men to try and stop the young men going down their path. They clearly were remorseful.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2018, 08:46:01 PM »
Quote from: Sunny on August 30, 2018, 04:08:05 PM
I would think it was almost impossible to tell if a guilty person in prison was genuinely remorseful.    Even if Myra Hindley had given the details of where the remaining children were buried it may have been a ploy to get her out of jail as I am sure some that appear to show remorse are aiming for too.

Myra Himdley was handed down a full life tariff, meaning even if she had disclosed where the remaining children were it would not have made any difference. Do you have another example in order to explain what you mean?

Whatt is your understanding of "remorse?" And how do you rehabilitate someone with a pervasive anti social personality disorder? Is it possible to do so?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2018, 08:54:32 PM »
Quote from: Sunny on August 30, 2018, 04:08:05 PM
I would think it was almost impossible to tell if a guilty person in prison was genuinely remorseful.

I am sure there are some that genuinely show remorse whilst in prison but the only way to certainly know is whether or not they reoffend once they are out IMO.

The question was: "How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?"

So do you think is it "impossible" or only possible "when a prisoner is released and they don't reoffend?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2018, 08:59:31 PM »
Quote from: Sunny on August 30, 2018, 04:08:05 PM
I have heard of ex- gang members jailed for being involved in knife crime joining charities and working with young men to try and stop the young men going down their path. They clearly were remorseful.

You've referred to "Myra Hindley" and "ex gang members involved in knife crime"

Do you think the type of crimes a prisoner commits makes a difference in them being able to show remorse?


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Offline Nicholas

Re: How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2018, 09:21:30 PM »
Quote from: Sunny on August 30, 2018, 04:08:05 PM
I would think it was almost impossible to tell if a guilty person in prison was genuinely remorseful.    Even if Myra Hindley had given the details of where the remaining children were buried it may have been a ploy to get her out of jail as I am sure some that appear to show remorse are aiming for too.

I am sure there are some that genuinely show remorse whilst in prison but the only way to certainly know is whether or not they reoffend once they are out IMO.

I have heard of ex- gang members jailed for being involved in knife crime joining charities and working with young men to try and stop the young men going down their path. They clearly were remorseful.

What if Jeremy Bamber were to finally confess to his crimes of mass murder? Would a confession suggest he was showing remorse?

Is Stephen Port remorseful? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45362553
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Offline Sunny

Re: How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2018, 09:53:31 PM »
Quote from: Stephanie on August 30, 2018, 08:46:01 PM
Myra Himdley was handed down a full life tariff, meaning even if she had disclosed where the remaining children were it would not have made any difference. Do you have another example in order to explain what you mean?

Whatt is your understanding of "remorse?" And how do you rehabilitate someone with a pervasive anti social personality disorder? Is it possible to do so?

My understanding of remorse is being truly sorry for what you have done and wished you hadn't done it, also being prepared to try to make amends to the victims as much as you can.

I have no experience of anyone with a pervasive anti social personality disorder so cannot answer that at all.
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Offline Sunny

Re: How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2018, 09:57:52 PM »
Quote from: Stephanie on August 30, 2018, 08:54:32 PM
The question was: "How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?"

So do you think is it "impossible" or only possible "when a prisoner is released and they don't reoffend?

I would say it would be possible to have an educated guess that someone was genuinely remorseful when they are out of jail but it would not always be possible as it would depend upon how manipulative the ex prisoner is.

The person I heard on the radio (ex knife crime gang member) was almost certainly remorseful as he was spending time with the charity going around schools trying to get young people not to follow his path.  If he hadn't been remorseful he would not have bothered IMO.
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Offline Sunny

Re: How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2018, 10:01:16 PM »
Quote from: Stephanie on August 30, 2018, 09:21:30 PM
What if Jeremy Bamber were to finally confess to his crimes of mass murder? Would a confession suggest he was showing remorse?

Is Stephen Port remorseful? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45362553

I know nothing of either case apart from a very little I have read about the Bamber case. No IMO if he was in jail and confessed it would not be proof of remorse or regret although with other things that he did may be an indication that he was remorseful.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2018, 10:36:25 PM »
Quote from: Sunny on August 30, 2018, 09:53:31 PM
My understanding of remorse is being truly sorry for what you have done and wished you hadn't done it, also being prepared to try to make amends to the victims as much as you can.

I have no experience of anyone with a pervasive anti social personality disorder so cannot answer that at all.

What about Myra Hindley? https://delphinejamet.wordpress.com/2012/10/22/psychological-theories-myra-hindley/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2018, 10:38:20 PM »
Quote from: Sunny on August 30, 2018, 10:01:16 PM
I know nothing of either case apart from a very little I have read about the Bamber case. No IMO if he was in jail and confessed it would not be proof of remorse or regret although with other things that he did may be an indication that he was remorseful.

What other things?
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Offline Sunny

Re: How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2018, 07:19:21 AM »
Quote from: Stephanie on August 30, 2018, 10:38:20 PM
What other things?

Apologies that was clumsily put. I have not read up on what Bamber has or hasn't done. I was not talking about Bamber I was talking in a general sense about what some prisoners may or may not have done.

Again I also know next to nothing about Myra Hindley either.

You may find this interesting Stephanie
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/releases/after-committing-a-crime-guilt-and-shame-predict-re-offense.html

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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: How can we tell if a prisoner is remorseful?
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2018, 08:52:57 PM »
Quote from: Stephanie on August 30, 2018, 09:21:30 PM
What if Jeremy Bamber were to finally confess to his crimes of mass murder? Would a confession suggest he was showing remorse?

Is Stephen Port remorseful? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45362553

No I don't think a confession can be associated with remorse in evry instance. It also depends on the crime and the motivation for commiting the crime.

Hindley was groomed by Brady- that is very clear, however, that does not absolve her in any way as this was a sexual driven crime and sexual driven crimes are commited through choice. As an example; a paedophile will never show remorse- as they enjoy what they do. it is a lifestyle choice. A gang member who killed on command by the leader could have remorse after he/she leaves the gang hold mentality.

I would say it depends on the crime,the motive, the age to establish an opinion on each prisoners remorsefulness.

Addicts are not to be trusted, some come back from the brink and some don't.
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