ShiningInLuz tours hits the mainstream Press.

[Alfie]

Probably went the same way as SiL's request to SY.

Very funny.  The difference though is the Kate McCann was the mother of the missing child whose disappearance they were investigating.  SIL is - who exactly?  As far as the Met are concerned she or he is.....(I daren't say for fear of further sanctions). 

[Angelo222]

Once you realise the police investigators are trying to pin the crime on yourselves, and you know you are innocent - how would you regard them then - if not 'the enemy'?

It's a pity the AG does not explain how a recon would in any way have enabled the McCanns to establish/demonstrate their innocence.     Can anyone explain how the McCanns repeating their movements of 12 months prior would make any difference to anything?   It's a mystery to me.

All an attempted recon would prove is that it is not humanly possible for 10 people ( who only remember approximate times of their movements of 12 months prior) -  to recreate those movements with the amount of accuracy that would be vital for the exercise to prove anything whatsoever.


For example (remembering that the were all only going to get one  'go' at it)

PJ to Jez:  We want you to set out at the same time you did on the night of the 3rd when you met Gerry.

Jez to PJ:  But I don't know what time it was - I can have a guess at it - but what if I 'm wrong and Gerry is just going into 5a when I turn into the street?   What do I do then?

PJ to Jez..........................................erm.

AIMHO

Considering G McCann couldn't even remember which side of the road he and Jez stood yacking.  But then he was distracted or not by Miss Clipity Dipity who was just about to spoil what appeared to be the abduction of the century.

Out of interest does anyone really believe than a would be abductor could open the bedroom shutter and window, climb into the room, select a child to abduct and carry her out through the front door, along the walkway, through the car park only to encounter Jane Tanner when Gerry had just left a sleeping Maddie in a secure apartment only two minutes earlier?  A child who never uttered a sound??  I know the moon is made of cheese but...

[Angelo222]

Very funny.  The difference though is the Kate McCann was the mother of the missing child whose disappearance they were investigating.  SIL is - who exactly?  As far as the Met are concerned she or he is.....(I daren't say for fear of further sanctions).

You just love it.. 

[Benice]

Considering G McCann couldn't even remember which side of the road he and Jez stood yacking.  But then he was distracted by Miss Clipity Dipity who was just about to spoil what appeared to be the abduction of the century.

But Gerry could remember which side of the street he stood on.  However,his recall was different to that of Jez and JT.   Nothing unusual about that according to the police who fully accept that fallibility of memory is a proven fact  when it comes to witnesses.      It doesn't mean anyone is lying.

I still have no idea how the McCanns could have established/demonstrated their innocence by repeating their movements of 3rd May from 5.00p.m. to 11.00p.m.    Innocence of what? 

[Alfie]

Considering G McCann couldn't even remember which side of the road he and Jez stood yacking.  But then he was distracted or not by Miss Clipity Dipity who was just about to spoil what appeared to be the abduction of the century.

Out of interest does anyone really believe than a would be abductor could open the bedroom shutter and window, climb into the room, select a child to abduct and carry her out through the front door, along the walkway, through the car park only to encounter Jane Tanner when Gerry had just left a sleeping Maddie in a secure apartment only two minutes earlier?  A child who never uttered a sound??  I know the moon is made of cheese but...

Do you find it more believable that a father could stand an chat perfectly naturally to a friend just moments after discovering his daughter dead?  and then hatch an abduction cover up in 30 minutes, finding time to tell his wife who was sat dining with other friends at the time? 

[misty]

But Gerry could remember which side of the street he stood on.  However,his recall was different to that of Jez and JT.   Nothing unusual about that according to the police who fully accept that fallibility of memory is a proven fact  when it comes to witnesses.      It doesn't mean anyone is lying.

I still have no idea how the McCanns could have established/demonstrated their innocence by repeating their movements of 3rd May from 5.00p.m. to 11.00p.m.    Innocence of what?

They couldn't. It was to be an exercise to establish even more inconsistencies than seen in the original 2 sets of statements, thus demonstrating guilt. The Americans have done the exact same thing in another ongoing missing child case (Deorr Kunz) where there is no forensic evidence of a crime or death of the child.

[Benice]

Considering G McCann couldn't even remember which side of the road he and Jez stood yacking.  But then he was distracted or not by Miss Clipity Dipity who was just about to spoil what appeared to be the abduction of the century.

Out of interest does anyone really believe than a would be abductor could open the bedroom shutter and window, climb into the room, select a child to abduct and carry her out through the front door, along the walkway, through the car park only to encounter Jane Tanner when Gerry had just left a sleeping Maddie in a secure apartment only two minutes earlier?  A child who never uttered a sound??  I know the moon is made of cheese but...

IMO the abductor entered by the front door.  The window/shutters were opened for one or all of the reasons which have been explained so many times before.     There could have been more than one abductor involved. 

If Tannerman is an innocent tourist then IMO she could have been taken to a car parked on the road close to the car park entrance and immediately driven off.

It could all have been over and done with in a couple of minutes - especially if it was pre-planned.

None of the above is impossible.

IMO

[Angelo222]

Do you find it more believable that a father could stand an chat perfectly naturally to a friend just moments after discovering his daughter dead?  and then hatch an abduction cover up in 30 minutes, finding time to tell his wife who was sat dining with other friends at the time?

You forget that Maddie was last seen in public 5 hours earlier.

[Angelo222]

But Gerry could remember which side of the street he stood on.  However,his recall was different to that of Jez and JT.   Nothing unusual about that according to the police who fully accept that fallibility of memory is a proven fact  when it comes to witnesses.      It doesn't mean anyone is lying.

I still have no idea how the McCanns could have established/demonstrated their innocence by repeating their movements of 3rd May from 5.00p.m. to 11.00p.m.    Innocence of what?

Jez and Jane could remember but Gerry got it wrong.

The whole idea of a reconstitution is to check movements and find flaws in witness statements especially when those witnesses are suspects.

[Angelo222]

IMO the abductor entered by the front door.  The window/shutters were opened for one or all of the reasons which have been explained so many times before.     There could have been more than one abductor involved. 

If Tannerman is an innocent tourist then IMO she could have been taken to a car parked on the road close to the car park entrance and immediately driven off.

It could all have been over and done with in a couple of minutes - especially if it was pre-planned.

None of the above is impossible.

IMO

To achieve that the abductor would have to have been waiting to pounce immediately Gerry left the apartment.  I don't buy it because too many people were wandering around.  I believe Maddie got out after the 9.30 check when nobody was around to help her.

[misty]

To achieve that the abductor would have to have been waiting to pounce immediately Gerry left the apartment.  I don't buy it because too many people were wandering around.

The abductor was already in the apartment when GM arrived imo.

[Angelo222]

The abductor was already in the apartment when GM arrived imo.

I cannot see it, there was nowhere to hide properly and in any event Gerry said the window and shutter were both closed when he checked at about 9.10pm.

[G-Unit]

Didn't Kate McCann write a letter to Rebelo begging for an update to which she received no reply?  Nice way to treat the parents of a missing child whose disappearance you are supposed to be investigating I'm sure.

I don't know what Rebelo's thinking was in December 2007, but he hadn't made any move to lift the McCann's arguido status. Kate McCann made it quite clear in her letter what her opinion was;

what work is being done to help find our daughter etc.....when I discovered that Madeleine had been taken......It would be good for Madeleine if we could all work together to help find her and the person(s) who took her.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LETTER_KATE_MCCANN.htm

Given her continuing insistence on only one possible scenario I don't see quite what reply Rebelo could have made unless he shared her opinion as to what had happened.

[misty]

I cannot see it, there was nowhere to hide properly and in any event Gerry said the window and shutter were both closed when he checked at about 9.10pm.

The parents' bedroom had a couple of suitable hiding places - two seconds from the children's room.
Window & shutter were probably still closed at that time.

[Alfie]

You forget that Maddie was last seen in public 5 hours earlier.

Well then describe a scenario that you think is perfectly plausible and possible, taking this into account.