Author Topic: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?  (Read 13229 times)

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Offline Benice

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #75 on: October 27, 2016, 01:40:20 PM »
Libel was not proved.

Taking 'nitpicking' to the nth degree IMO.

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Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #76 on: October 27, 2016, 01:45:36 PM »
Taking 'nitpicking' to the nth degree IMO.

Nah. IMHO.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #77 on: October 27, 2016, 02:18:09 PM »
What they printed suggested that the McCanns hid efits from the authorities for 5 years so were sued. They should have printed - Why were crucial efits withheld from the public for 5 years? Then investigate further. Why were they not included in Madeleine released 3 years later when allegedly only the McCanns were still working on the case? When were the efits first produced and seen by the McCanns? etc. This is a serious matter especially when Exon was reported to have said, “A letter came from their lawyers binding us to the confidentiality of the report.”

"Madeleine clues hidden for 5 years"

"We accept that the articles may have been understood to suggest that the McCanns had withheld information from the authorities. This was not the case. We now understand and accept that the efits had been provided to the Portuguese and Leicestershire police by October 2009."

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sunday-times-sued-mccanns-over-story-which-wrongly-claimed-evidence-was-withheld-police/
I tried to stick this story in my filing system and trying to index it made me think.

The 'by' in 'by October 2009'.  That makes it vague, in the sense that it could have been earlier, for one or both forces.

I wonder what evidence convinced the ST?  And I wonder why the McCanns did not produce such evidence earlier, before publication?  Please note, having been Mirrored, I am aware that the timescale between a media approach for comments on an upcoming story and publication is of the order of a few days, so I am not impugning the McCanns.

Then there is the legal letter insisting on confidentiality.  Why is anything about this significant?  Unless the contractual relationship between the McCanns and Oakley was weird, the contract would have included a confidentiality agreement.  The termination of the contract was not harmonious.  A legal letter was written reminding Oakley the report was subject to confidentiality.  It strikes me as appropriate, given the circumstances.
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Offline John

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #78 on: October 27, 2016, 02:47:12 PM »
Could you expand on that John please?

It's self explanatory.
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Offline John

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #79 on: October 27, 2016, 02:50:48 PM »
Oakley wasn't Halligen alone so why should the other elements of his team, themselves cheated by him, be tarred with the same 'conman' brush? As far as I am aware Halligen was not involved in the day to day investigation so it would seem unlikely that he had any direct input into either the report or the efits.

I disagree, Halligen was reared in Ireland just down the road from the Smiths so could relate to them better than anyone else.  I believe Halligen was directly responsible for persuading the Smiths to cooperate.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #80 on: October 27, 2016, 02:59:05 PM »
What they printed suggested that the McCanns hid efits from the authorities for 5 years so were sued. They should have printed - Why were crucial efits withheld from the public for 5 years? Then investigate further. Why were they not included in Madeleine released 3 years later when allegedly only the McCanns were still working on the case? When were the efits first produced and seen by the McCanns? etc. This is a serious matter especially when Exon was reported to have said, “A letter came from their lawyers binding us to the confidentiality of the report.”

"Madeleine clues hidden for 5 years"

"We accept that the articles may have been understood to suggest that the McCanns had withheld information from the authorities. This was not the case. We now understand and accept that the efits had been provided to the Portuguese and Leicestershire police by October 2009."

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sunday-times-sued-mccanns-over-story-which-wrongly-claimed-evidence-was-withheld-police/

I agree, the Sunday Times made a complete pigs ear of what in truth was a very legitimate story of great public interest and that was that e-fits of a man who could very well have been seen carrying Madeleine McCann on the night she disappeared were suppressed from the public for five years. Question is and always has been, by whom and for what reason?

As for the libel claim, the Sunday Times claimed the McCanns withheld the e-fits but couldn't prove it thus they would have failed to defend any libel action.  I have a feeling their star witness bailed in the end.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2016, 08:23:27 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #81 on: October 27, 2016, 05:55:47 PM »
I tried to stick this story in my filing system and trying to index it made me think.

The 'by' in 'by October 2009'.  That makes it vague, in the sense that it could have been earlier, for one or both forces.

I wonder what evidence convinced the ST?  And I wonder why the McCanns did not produce such evidence earlier, before publication?  Please note, having been Mirrored, I am aware that the timescale between a media approach for comments on an upcoming story and publication is of the order of a few days, so I am not impugning the McCanns.

Then there is the legal letter insisting on confidentiality.  Why is anything about this significant?  Unless the contractual relationship between the McCanns and Oakley was weird, the contract would have included a confidentiality agreement.  The termination of the contract was not harmonious.  A legal letter was written reminding Oakley the report was subject to confidentiality.  It strikes me as appropriate, given the circumstances.

You're assuming that the report and the e-fits were produced under the umbrella of the Oakley contract. That contract ended before the McCanns received them. The question is who contacted team McCann with the report and e-fits after they had stopped working for them? I don't think it was Halligen.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #82 on: October 27, 2016, 06:48:15 PM »
I disagree, Halligen was reared in Ireland just down the road from the Smiths so could relate to them better than anyone else.  I believe Halligen was directly responsible for persuading the Smiths to cooperate.

And as your opinion carries just as much weight as mine I'm afraid that doesn't take us much further forward.
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Offline John

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #83 on: October 27, 2016, 08:18:04 PM »
And as your opinion carries just as much weight as mine I'm afraid that doesn't take us much further forward.

The evidence reveals something somewhat different though. Halligen was hands on initially in an attempt to impress, it was only latterly that he hung out at the Abracadabra Club near his Jermyn Street office, this effectively becoming his daytime base.  Kennedy was rebuffed previously when he attempted to get the Smiths to cooperate so it was logical that local boy Halligen be sent in.  Halligen as much as confirmed this the last time he spoke to the media.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2016, 08:30:09 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline mercury

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #84 on: October 27, 2016, 11:59:29 PM »
It all comes back to why the mccanns never once made any mention or released these efits ever

And the excuse peddled that there was no official police investigation ongoing doesnt cut the mustard

They were free to publicise other efits which they did
No one was stopping them from releasing these ones WAS THERE?

Offline Brietta

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #85 on: October 28, 2016, 12:51:57 AM »
It all comes back to why the mccanns never once made any mention or released these efits ever

And the excuse peddled that there was no official police investigation ongoing doesnt cut the mustard

They were free to publicise other efits which they did
No one was stopping them from releasing these ones WAS THERE?

There must have been a very good reason why the efits were not released until Madeleine's case was reopened and I am sure Leicestershire police and the Policia Judiciaria would be able to inform you of what exactly that was if they chose to.
They also had copies of the efits in their possession.
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Offline mercury

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #86 on: October 28, 2016, 01:38:04 AM »
There must have been a very good reason why the efits were not released until Madeleine's case was reopened and I am sure Leicestershire police and the Policia Judiciaria would be able to inform you of what exactly that was if they chose to.
They also had copies of the efits in their possession.


What STOPPED the mccanns releasing them whilst alllowing clowns like mitchel to do pantomimes about every tom dick and harry "important efit"
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #87 on: October 28, 2016, 05:00:22 AM »
It's self explanatory.
It might be but I'm not aware of it. 
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Simply reading between the lines and the fact that Oakley were told in no uncertain terms what would happen if they revealed what really went on.  That must be one of the most damning facts to date and proof if proof were needed that not all is as it seems?
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #88 on: October 28, 2016, 08:19:08 AM »
There must have been a very good reason why the efits were not released until Madeleine's case was reopened and I am sure Leicestershire police and the Policia Judiciaria would be able to inform you of what exactly that was if they chose to.
They also had copies of the efits in their possession.
...by October 2009.

I can think of one very good reason.
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Re: Have the Oakley e-fits added anything to the search for Madeleine McCann?
« Reply #89 on: October 28, 2016, 08:21:15 AM »
...by October 2009.

I can think of one very good reason.

Indeed Slarti, and hardly difficult to work out.