Inspections ....

[ferryman]

In places Madeleine never lived in nor went near,

namely:

The Renault scenic (hired 3 weeks after Madeleine disappeared)

Vehicles, owned or driven by people never arguidos in the investigation

The villa the McCanns moved in to after Madeleine vanished, with a full-scale criminal investigation (then) already in full swing.

The gym, a place neither Madeleine nor anyone close to her went anywhere near in her/their life(ves).

To be clear, while the investigation identified nothing in any vehicle owned by Robert Murat to associate him with Madeleine's disappearance, Murat was, at the time, an arguido in the investigation, justifying grounds for subjecting his vehicles to inspection, even though nothing of relevance to the enquiry was found, in either vehicle belonging to him.

But it is plain daft to suppose the McCanns would have taken Madeleine somewhere dead in a vehicle hired 3 weeks after her abduction, and especially in a blaze of publicity such as that that accompanied their (freely shared!) visit to Huelva in Spain.

It is plain daft to suppose that anything of relevance to Madeleine might have been found: in the Renault Scenic, and especially on the ignition key of the Renault Scenic, in the villa or in the gym.

What was the rationale behind any of it?


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[ShiningInLuz]

In places Madeleine never lived in nor went near,

namely:

The Renault scenic (hired 3 weeks after Madeleine disappeared)

Vehicles, owned or driven by people never arguidos in the investigation

The villa the McCanns moved in to after Madeleine vanished, with a full-scale criminal investigation (then) already in full swing.

The gym, a place neither Madeleine nor anyone close to her went anywhere near in her/their life(ves).

To be clear, while the investigation identified nothing in any vehicle owned by Robert Murat to associate him with Madeleine's disappearance, Murat was, at the time, an arguido in the investigation, justifying grounds for subjecting his vehicles to inspection, even though nothing of relevance to the enquiry was found, in either vehicle belonging to him.

But it is plain daft to suppose the McCanns would have taken Madeleine somewhere dead in a vehicle hired 3 weeks after her abduction, and especially in a blaze of publicity such as that that accompanied their (freely shared!) visit to Huelva in Spain.

It is plain daft to suppose that anything of relevance to Madeleine might have been found: in the Renault Scenic, and especially on the ignition key of the Renault Scenic, in the villa or in the gym.

What was the rationale behind any of it?

May I ask you why you think a police investigation should be limited to places that it was known Madeleine lived in or went near.  Madeleine never lived on or, AFAIK, went near any of the 3 areas dug by OG in June 2014.  Should these 3 places have been declared off limits?

[ferryman]

May I ask you why you think a police investigation should be limited to places that it was known Madeleine lived in or went near.  Madeleine never lived on or, AFAIK, went near any of the 3 areas dug by OG in June 2014.  Should these 3 places have been declared off limits?

I'm not privy to any details of operation Grange, obviously, but I imagine that they were searching for, or wanted to eliminate the possibility of, deceased remains having been deposited in any of the areas they searched, just as would have been the same for those recommendations of Harrison that focussed on areas around PdL.

[G-Unit]

In places Madeleine never lived in nor went near,

namely:

The Renault scenic (hired 3 weeks after Madeleine disappeared)

Vehicles, owned or driven by people never arguidos in the investigation

The villa the McCanns moved in to after Madeleine vanished, with a full-scale criminal investigation (then) already in full swing.

The gym, a place neither Madeleine nor anyone close to her went anywhere near in her/their life(ves).

To be clear, while the investigation identified nothing in any vehicle owned by Robert Murat to associate him with Madeleine's disappearance, Murat was, at the time, an arguido in the investigation, justifying grounds for subjecting his vehicles to inspection, even though nothing of relevance to the enquiry was found, in either vehicle belonging to him.

But it is plain daft to suppose the McCanns would have taken Madeleine somewhere dead in a vehicle hired 3 weeks after her abduction, and especially in a blaze of publicity such as that that accompanied their (freely shared!) visit to Huelva in Spain.

It is plain daft to suppose that anything of relevance to Madeleine might have been found: in the Renault Scenic, and especially on the ignition key of the Renault Scenic, in the villa or in the gym.

What was the rationale behind any of it?

Leaving no stone unturned?.......

[ferryman]

Leaving no stone unturned?.......

So aside from cheap shots, do you have any serious answers?

[slartibartfast]

In places Madeleine never lived in nor went near,

namely:

The Renault scenic (hired 3 weeks after Madeleine disappeared)

Vehicles, owned or driven by people never arguidos in the investigation

The villa the McCanns moved in to after Madeleine vanished, with a full-scale criminal investigation (then) already in full swing.

The gym, a place neither Madeleine nor anyone close to her went anywhere near in her/their life(ves).

To be clear, while the investigation identified nothing in any vehicle owned by Robert Murat to associate him with Madeleine's disappearance, Murat was, at the time, an arguido in the investigation, justifying grounds for subjecting his vehicles to inspection, even though nothing of relevance to the enquiry was found, in either vehicle belonging to him.

But it is plain daft to suppose the McCanns would have taken Madeleine somewhere dead in a vehicle hired 3 weeks after her abduction, and especially in a blaze of publicity such as that that accompanied their (freely shared!) visit to Huelva in Spain.

It is plain daft to suppose that anything of relevance to Madeleine might have been found: in the Renault Scenic, and especially on the ignition key of the Renault Scenic, in the villa or in the gym.

What was the rationale behind any of it?

Have you never heard of scent transfer?

[ferryman]

Have you never heard of scent transfer?

Scent-transfer is the principle that made special mockery of the inspection in the gym.

The point has (rightly) been raised that all items, apparently, 'reacted to' in the gym were transported in the same container, meaning that (in the event of any item in the box having a death-scent) it would have transferred to all items in that box.

However, that point, though important, misses a wider and still more important point.  Those clothes were in common circulation as clothes are for fully 3 months after the crime: worn, washed, packed in suitcases, folded away on wardrobe shelves (etc, etc,), meaning that cross-transfer of a death scent (assuming, I don't, that there ever was one) would have occurred long before the 'inspection', rendering said inspection nul-and-void.

What was the point of any of it?

[slartibartfast]

Scent-transfer is the principle that made special mockery of the inspection in the gym.

The point has (rightly) been raised that all items, apparently, 'reacted to' in the gym were transported in the same container, meaning that (in the event of any item in the box having a death-scent) it would have transferred to all items in that box.

However, that point, though important, misses a wider and still more important point.  Those clothes were in common circulation as clothes are for fully 3 months after the crime: worn, washed, packed in suitcases, folded away on wardrobe shelves (etc, etc,), meaning that cross-transfer of a death scent (assuming, I don't, that there ever was one) would have occurred long before the 'inspection', rendering said inspection nul-and-void.

What was the point of any of it?

Unlike you the police tend to get very interested when Cadaver dogs alert.

[John]

In places Madeleine never lived in nor went near,

namely:

The Renault scenic (hired 3 weeks after Madeleine disappeared)

Vehicles, owned or driven by people never arguidos in the investigation

The villa the McCanns moved in to after Madeleine vanished, with a full-scale criminal investigation (then) already in full swing.

The gym, a place neither Madeleine nor anyone close to her went anywhere near in her/their life(ves).

To be clear, while the investigation identified nothing in any vehicle owned by Robert Murat to associate him with Madeleine's disappearance, Murat was, at the time, an arguido in the investigation, justifying grounds for subjecting his vehicles to inspection, even though nothing of relevance to the enquiry was found, in either vehicle belonging to him.

But it is plain daft to suppose the McCanns would have taken Madeleine somewhere dead in a vehicle hired 3 weeks after her abduction, and especially in a blaze of publicity such as that that accompanied their (freely shared!) visit to Huelva in Spain.

It is plain daft to suppose that anything of relevance to Madeleine might have been found: in the Renault Scenic, and especially on the ignition key of the Renault Scenic, in the villa or in the gym.

What was the rationale behind any of it?

Believe it or not, it's what police do, they investigate every possible scenario.

[John]

I'm not privy to any details of operation Grange, obviously, but I imagine that they were searching for, or wanted to eliminate the possibility of, deceased remains having been deposited in any of the areas they searched, just as would have been the same for those recommendations of Harrison that focussed on areas around PdL.

That sort of answers your question on the other thread as to why the rental villa was inspected.

[John]

Scent-transfer is the principle that made special mockery of the inspection in the gym.

The point has (rightly) been raised that all items, apparently, 'reacted to' in the gym were transported in the same container, meaning that (in the event of any item in the box having a death-scent) it would have transferred to all items in that box.

However, that point, though important, misses a wider and still more important point.  Those clothes were in common circulation as clothes are for fully 3 months after the crime: worn, washed, packed in suitcases, folded away on wardrobe shelves (etc, etc,), meaning that cross-transfer of a death scent (assuming, I don't, that there ever was one) would have occurred long before the 'inspection', rendering said inspection nul-and-void.

What was the point of any of it?

A process of elimination per chance?


ps Please don't post opinion as fact fm!!

[ferryman]

Believe it or not, it's what police do, they investigate every possible scenario.

Partially correct, as I've noted before.

Here is the critical caveat, though. 

They do so in the hope of finding something that will assist, or even solve, an enquiry.

I've asked the question before and will repeat it: even hypothetically, what of worth to the enquiry might have come from most of these inspections?

Hypothetically, the vehicle-inspection might have held up the possibility of finding Madeleine's blood in a vehicle driven by Murat.  Of course, we should underline and emphasise that no such find was made, and that Robert Murat's arguido status was lifted because no evidence against him was ever found.  Of course, the same is hypothetically true of Mruat's villa.  Again, it should be stressed that nothing suspicious of Robert Murat was found.

But the McCanns' villa?

Madeleine never lived in it.

The McCanns' vehicle?  The one with the find Madeleine stickers on the back?

The only vehicle of interest in a nominal line-up of 10.

The one with Gerry's blood on the ignition key.

The one hired 3 weeks after Madeleine vanished.

Why inspect it at all?

The gym?

No one associated with Madeleine went near it; neither (of course!) Madeleine herself.

[jassi]

Partially correct, as I've noted before.

Here is the critical caveat, though. 

They do so in the hope of finding something that will assist, or even solve, an enquiry.

I've asked the question before and will repeat it: even hypothetically, what of worth to the enquiry might have come from most of these inspections?

Hypothetically, the vehicle-inspection might have held up the possibility of finding Madeleine's blood in a vehicle driven by Murat.  Of course, we should underline and emphasise that no such find was made, and that Robert Murat's arguido status was lifted because no evidence against him was ever found.  Of course, the same is hypothetically true of Mruat's villa.  Again, it should be stressed that nothing suspicious of Robert Murat was found.

But the McCanns' villa?

Madeleine never lived in it.

The McCanns' vehicle?  The one with the find Madeleine stickers on the back?

The only vehicle of interest in a nominal line-up of 10.

The one with Gerry's blood on the ignition key.

The one hired 3 weeks after Madeleine vanished.

Why inspect it at all?

The gym?

No one associated with Madeleine went near it; neither (of course!) Madeleine herself.

Because they wanted to.
They don't need to explain their reasons to you, or indeed anyone outside of the Portuguese Justice system.

[mercury]

Partially correct, as I've noted before.

Here is the critical caveat, though. 

They do so in the hope of finding something that will assist, or even solve, an enquiry.

I've asked the question before and will repeat it: even hypothetically, what of worth to the enquiry might have come from most of these inspections?

Hypothetically, the vehicle-inspection might have held up the possibility of finding Madeleine's blood in a vehicle driven by Murat.  Of course, we should underline and emphasise that no such find was made, and that Robert Murat's arguido status was lifted because no evidence against him was ever found.  Of course, the same is hypothetically true of Mruat's villa.  Again, it should be stressed that nothing suspicious of Robert Murat was found.

But the McCanns' villa?

Madeleine never lived in it.

The McCanns' vehicle?  The one with the find Madeleine stickers on the back?

The only vehicle of interest in a nominal line-up of 10.

The one with Gerry's blood on the ignition key.

The one hired 3 weeks after Madeleine vanished.

Why inspect it at all?

The gym?

No one associated with Madeleine went near it; neither (of course!) Madeleine herself.

They werent inspecting the bloody gym for signs of madeleine were they???? It was a location for inspection of items.

[ferryman]

Because they wanted to.
They don't need to explain their reasons to you, or indeed anyone outside of the Portuguese Justice system.

All material has been released into the public domain, much of it deeply damaging to the reputations of innocent people, inviting analysis and leaving a need for answers.