Did OC reception let Madeleine down?

[Miss Taken Identity]

There is more than one possibility though, isn't there?

If, by some chance, Kate suspected her daughter hadn't been abducted she knew the twins were in no danger when she left them.

Hmm indeed. I wondered when someone would get that point I was trying to be diplomatic.


Elenor I do have give, I will give to you another scenario. Lets say,suppose if you will,  Kate saw Maddie wasn't in her bed, she went to look for her in and around the apartment,knew she had left the door unlocked and maybe told Maddie this the day Maddie questiond her, Kate realises Maddie must have left via the unlocked door- hence a panic set in and she ran to tell the others, after she had opened the shutters and window to look out to see if she could see Maddie, at one point afraid to call the police incase arrests were immenent, and what would hr partens and others think of them- quick thinking  she claimed abduction from the room via the jemmied shutters/open window.

Please do not remove this post as this is JUST SUPPOSING, I am not making any claims it happened.  Typing this does not make me or others  nasty people.

[mercury]

Hmm indeed. I wondered when someone would get that point I was trying to be diplomatic.


Elenor I do have give, I will give to you another scenario. Lets say,suppose if you will,  Kate saw Maddie wasn't in her bed, she went to look for her in and around the apartment,knew she had left the door unlocked and maybe told Maddie this the day Maddie questiond her, Kate realises Maddie must have left via the unlocked door- hence a panic set in and she ran to tell the others, after she had opened the shutters and window to look out to see if she could see Maddie, at one point afraid to call the police incase arrests were immenent, and what would hr partens and others think of them- quick thinking  she claimed abduction from the room via the jemmied shutters/open window.

Please do not remove this post as this is JUST SUPPOSING, I am not making any claims it happened.  Typing this does not make me or others  nasty people.

Good theory

[Robittybob1]

Well there is, ie you, asserted the tapas believed she had escaped thats why they didnt shout abduction but went searchng for a wandering missing child

No I didn't assert that at all.  If I said something like that it certainly had nothing to do with MM opening the window and the shutters.

[mercury]

No I didn't assert that at all.

Your post 125

[Miss Taken Identity]

Kate McCann is a runner.  How long do you think it took her to run the distance between the apartment and the restaurant which were approximately thirty odd seconds walking distance apart?
 
In the real world however, the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard have been looking for an abductor based on looking at meaningful and accurate intelligence which has led to the reopening Madeleine's case.

A fast runner? ok how long does it take to stab a child and kill it? TWO swift knife plunges in each baby less than 30 seconds! how did she know the intruder was not there and not going to murder her other babies?

[Robittybob1]

Your post 125

in 125 I say " IMO that might be explained if they knew more than Kate did.  Did they know that Madeleine should have found in the gardens somewhere?"  That is what I said, saying nothing about escaping from the bedroom.
Even when Kate and others suggested MM had been taken they assured them she would have just wandered off, hence the missing child procedure activated.

[Robittybob1]

You really are a handful
No evidence there was a prank
No precedence for a prank gone wrong
Just stupid

Get real, child disappearances are either abduction or staged or woke wondered and died as a result

If you could show me evidence of who Matt spoke to when he was told by Fiona to call the Police I will believe you.
Why is there no evidence of this major event?  So why are we blaming OC for letting MM down?  Maybe it was really Matt for instead of going straight there he kept searching places on the way. Did he even do what he was told to do?

[John]

Hmm indeed. I wondered when someone would get that point I was trying to be diplomatic.


Elenor I do have give, I will give to you another scenario. Lets say,suppose if you will,  Kate saw Maddie wasn't in her bed, she went to look for her in and around the apartment,knew she had left the door unlocked and maybe told Maddie this the day Maddie questiond her, Kate realises Maddie must have left via the unlocked door- hence a panic set in and she ran to tell the others, after she had opened the shutters and window to look out to see if she could see Maddie, at one point afraid to call the police incase arrests were immenent, and what would hr partens and others think of them- quick thinking  she claimed abduction from the room via the jemmied shutters/open window.

Please do not remove this post as this is JUST SUPPOSING, I am not making any claims it happened.  Typing this does not make me or others  nasty people.

It is well known that people lose memories when they are in a state of fear or extreme stress.  For all anyone knows Kate did open the shutter and window to look out for Madeleine and simply forgot she did so.  Her fingerprint on the window certainly seems to support her opening it at some time.

[mercury]

If you could show me evidence of who Matt spoke to when he was told by Fiona to call the Police I will believe you.
Why is there no evidence of this major event?  So why are we blaming OC for letting MM down?  Maybe it was really Matt for instead of going straight there he kept searching places on the way. Did he even do what he was told to do?

The norm is to start from 1 progressing to 2 then 3 etc

I suggest you read the thread again fron post 1 and hopefully you might find the answer to your personal problem

[John]

If you could show me evidence of who Matt spoke to when he was told by Fiona to call the Police I will believe you.
Why is there no evidence of this major event?  So why are we blaming OC for letting MM down?  Maybe it was really Matt for instead of going straight there he kept searching places on the way. Did he even do what he was told to do?

We know that Matt went straight to main reception and spoke with the duty receptionist.  We know that the receptionist suggested that the girl may have simply ran off and was hiding somewhere.  So who to blame for not calling the police immediately Rob?

[John]

There is. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm
 Helder states "He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.

That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child's father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

He then contacted the head of reception Vítor Santos and informed him of the situation."  In my language that is called before 10:00 PM i.e before Kate's alert.
It would be interesting to see what Vator Santos says.

Unless he sent a carrier pigeon the phone records do not bear his claims out.  Notice how he conveniently ignores Matts visits to reception?

[John]

I wouldn't think it would be a criminal thing to wave a car down.  OK they don't have to stop but once you have stopped the first one that would slow down the following ones and make the task easier.  Maybe that is how I would react.  Whether it was legal or not, I'd stop vehicles leaving or even those coming toward PDL to ask if there were drivers acting suspiciously.  Language would be difficult, so I would need help from someone local as well.

Thinking about it if you had trouble on the road in the country you could wave down another motorist asking for help. So it can't be illegal even in town, even though it maybe a rather unusual thing to do.

I stop traffic on the road regularly near my farm to allow plant or animals to cross.  And it is a B route with fast traffic on it.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Unless he sent a carrier pigeon the phone records do not bear his claims out.  Notice how he conveniently ignores Matts visits to reception?

I still think there was confusion as to what message was relayed. Were they seeking a Abducted Child or a missing child. I don't think there is any evidence that the reception staff should shoulder any blame.

 I think I will start a thread asking. Did Santa have anything to do with this? He does have a sleigh great mode of transport- and can get in and out of  buildings unseen  apparently...

[misty]

I still think there was confusion as to what message was relayed. Were they seeking a Abducted Child or a missing child. I don't think there is any evidence that the reception staff should shoulder any blame.

 I think I will start a thread asking. Did Santa have anything to do with this? He does have a sleigh great mode of transport- and can get in and out of  buildings unseen  apparently...

Would it have made any difference if reception had called the GNR half an hour earlier? No, IMO. There were still only 2 officers available to attend. OC ensured that their Missing Child Search procedure was put into  operation & they had more people searching immediately than the GNR could possibly have mustered.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Would it have made any difference if reception had called the GNR half an hour earlier? No, IMO. There were still only 2 officers available to attend. OC ensured that their Missing Child Search procedure was put into  operation & they had more people searching immediately than the GNR could possibly have mustered.

Indeed Misty. In fact I would go as far to say with the time line unverifiable, and the 'listening' system, not physically checking, in place Maddie could have gone missing just after parents left, leaving a couple of hours at least head start if she was abducted. Another reason for not shouting down the OC staff, would it have made any difference anyway?