Is there now grudging but growing acceptance that the McCanns didn't do it?

[faithlilly]

Who told you that Operation Grange came to the case completely oblivious to any of the facts?

So are you saying OG had already decided it was an abduction?

[G-Unit]

Here is the whole quote :


"We have conducted a forensic analysis of the timeline and there is clearly opportunity there for Madeleine McCann to be removed from that apartment alive and it is our belief as experienced investigators on the evidence that um that, you know, that is a criminal act that has been undertaken by a stranger".

And G-Unit's explanation given some time ago :

'Perhaps Redwood's English isn't perfect. Let me explain again what he actually said.

1. They have forensically examined the timeline.
2. They identified an opportunity for the child to be taken alive from the apartment.
3. If someone took that opportunity that would be a criminal act by a stranger.

Nowhere does he say that he believes anyone took that opportunity, but if they did, he believes that would be a criminal act by a stranger.'


I believe Redwood was very clever when answering a very tricky question.

The above was said in the Daybreak interview when they were a quarter of the way through the files (Portuguese, English and PI). Redwood, asked directly, said he believed Madeleine was still alive. He was asked why he believed that and his answer is pathetic imo.

I believe she's still alive because, at the beginning of this case ...we came with a completely open mind. We were untouched by anything that's gone before, and, as part of that, two key elements of it is to go: 1 Madeleine is alive and the other is, sadly she's not ... and in relation to her being alive, yes, there is a real possibility that she's alive.

So what are the things that make you think that?

we have conducted a forensic analysis of the timeline, and there is clearly opportunity there - for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/60april12/ITV1_27_04_2012.htm

So the only reason Redwood could give was that they had found an 'opportunity' in the timeline?

I can just imagine the jubilation of his team as they gave each other high fives after their forensic analysis of the timeline, crying 'Yes! There's a five minute gap! An opportunity for Madeleine to have been removed from that apartment alive!'

My question is; does finding an opportunity for something to have happened mean it did happen?

[faithlilly]

The above was said in the Daybreak interview when they were a quarter of the way through the files (Portuguese, English and PI). Redwood, asked directly, said he believed Madeleine was still alive. He was asked why he believed that and his answer is pathetic imo.

I believe she's still alive because, at the beginning of this case ...we came with a completely open mind. We were untouched by anything that's gone before, and, as part of that, two key elements of it is to go: 1 Madeleine is alive and the other is, sadly she's not ... and in relation to her being alive, yes, there is a real possibility that she's alive.

So what are the things that make you think that?

we have conducted a forensic analysis of the timeline, and there is clearly opportunity there - for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/60april12/ITV1_27_04_2012.htm

So the only reason Redwood could give was that they had found an 'opportunity' in the timeline?

I can just imagine the jubilation of his team as they gave each other high fives after their forensic analysis of the timeline, crying 'Yes! There's a five minute gap! An opportunity for Madeleine to have been removed from that apartment alive!'

My question is; does finding an opportunity for something to have happened mean it did happen?

'I believe she's still alive because, at the beginning of this case ...we came with a completely open mind. We were untouched by anything that's gone before'

Kinda blows holes in Alfie's  assumption that some 'facts' were accepted at the beginning of OG.

[Alfie]

So are you saying OG had already decided it was an abduction?

I am saying that the remit has the word "abduction" in it.  That's a fact.  More than that is simply conjecture.

[Mr Moderator]

Going back to the theme of the thread, there appears to be much faith in the information which Met officers saw fit to publicly announce to the press and media.  Are people so gullible that they swallow these carefully selected titbits?

When have police officers undertaking a live investigation ever disclosed the actual line of enquiry they are following?

[faithlilly]

Going back to the theme of the thread, there appears to be much faith in the information which Met officers saw fit to publicly announce to the press and media.  Are people so gullible that they swallow these carefully selected titbits?

When have police officers undertaking a live investigation ever disclosed the actual line of enquiry they are following?

Indeed.

[Alice Purjorick]

Going back to the theme of the thread, there appears to be much faith in the information which Met officers saw fit to publicly announce to the press and media.  Are people so gullible that they swallow these carefully selected titbits?

When have police officers undertaking a live investigation ever disclosed the actual line of enquiry they are following?

In this case all of the time if some posts interpretations are to be believed.

[Mr Gray]

Going back to the theme of the thread, there appears to be much faith in the information which Met officers saw fit to publicly announce to the press and media.  Are people so gullible that they swallow these carefully selected titbits?

When have police officers undertaking a live investigation ever disclosed the actual line of enquiry they are following?

Gullible...... what do you think of those who swallow every word of R D Hall.... Hi de Hi....Bennett... a lot of rubbish yet accepted as fact

[Brietta]

In this case all of the time if some posts interpretations are to be believed.

Absolutely.
In this case we are being told absolutely nothing at all about how the case is progressing ~ apart from a request made by the investigation for extra funding to continue ongoing inquiries.  Which was granted.

The fact that the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard have seen fit to reopen Madeleine's case based on new evidence and evidence which was not properly investigated at the time has gone a long way to convincing some that their conviction that Madeleine's parents had a hand in her disappearance might be misguided.

Particularly as without Madeleine's parents' efforts to have her case reopened we would still be at square one ... with no-one trying to find her (but for her parents).
I think most have accepted that if not unheard of it must be singularly unusual for guilty parties to agitate to have the police forces of two nations re-open the case in which they were accused.

[Mr Gray]

Going back to the theme of the thread, there appears to be much faith in the information which Met officers saw fit to publicly announce to the press and media.  Are people so gullible that they swallow these carefully selected titbits?

When have police officers undertaking a live investigation ever disclosed the actual line of enquiry they are following?

When Redwood says the parents are not suspects I don't think it's gullible to believe the parents are not suspects
I do think it's incredibly stupid to believe that Redwood was playing some sort of game to lull the parents into a false sense of security

[Alfie]

Going back to the theme of the thread, there appears to be much faith in the information which Met officers saw fit to publicly announce to the press and media.  Are people so gullible that they swallow these carefully selected titbits?

When have police officers undertaking a live investigation ever disclosed the actual line of enquiry they are following?

Very often actually.  They are pursuing the theory that Claudia Lawrence was abducted on her way to work and murdered by a man she may have known, is just one example.  Remember it is not only what the Met have said, it's also what they've done during Op Grange that reinforces the fact that they are treating the case as one of stranger abduction.  Everything they have said and done points to this, nothing whatsoever points to any other theory.

[Alice Purjorick]

Absolutely.
In this case we are being told absolutely nothing at all about how the case is progressing ~ apart from a request made by the investigation for extra funding to continue ongoing inquiries.  Which was granted.

The fact that the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard have seen fit to reopen Madeleine's case based on new evidence and evidence which was not properly investigated at the time has gone a long way to convincing some that their conviction that Madeleine's parents had a hand in her disappearance might be misguided.

Particularly as without Madeleine's parents' efforts to have her case reopened we would still be at square one ... with no-one trying to find her (but for her parents).
I think most have accepted that if not unheard of it must be singularly unusual for guilty parties to agitate to have the police forces of two nations re-open the case in which they were accused.

Do you seriously believe that two police forces have resources in the field looking for a missing child rather than winding down a case ?

[Alfie]

'I believe she's still alive because, at the beginning of this case ...we came with a completely open mind. We were untouched by anything that's gone before'

Kinda blows holes in Alfie's  assumption that some 'facts' were accepted at the beginning of OG.

"I believe she's still alive" kinda blows holes in YOUR assumptions?

[G-Unit]

First you need to define what 'it' is. Then you need to pinpoint when 'it' happened. Until those questions are addressed you can't rule anyone out. Some think those questions have been answered, but I don't.

[ferryman]

First you need to define what 'it' is. Then you need to pinpoint when 'it' happened. Until those questions are addressed you can't rule anyone out. Some think those questions have been answered, but I don't.

The McCanns played no part in anything untoward that occurred to Madeleine on May 3rd.

And made checks that passed muster legally but (narrowly) failed to thwart an abduction.