McCanns' Embedded Confessions - Statement Analysis ( Richard D Hall release)

[slartibartfast]

So?  Are general comments no longer allowed?  Do I now have to post proof of my statement?   

Well if you want persuade the members, probably.

[Alfie]

Well if you want persuade the members, probably.

I won't persuade the credulous who want to believe, but here is a more learned opinion than mine.  You'll no doubt find a reason to slag the author off.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=X2w-VXqCkpkC&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=statement+analysis+junk+science&source=bl&ots=nM9MyLPHv7&sig=fF1U_WE0HXBHx77AGtCBfXVU8xc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi48q3zpsnQAhUlAcAKHTjxAW4Q6AEIPzAE#v=onepage&q=statement%20analysis%20junk%20science&f=false

[Robittybob1]

I won't persuade the credulous who want to believe, but here is a more learned opinion than mine.  You'll no doubt find a reason to slag the author off.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=X2w-VXqCkpkC&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=statement+analysis+junk+science&source=bl&ots=nM9MyLPHv7&sig=fF1U_WE0HXBHx77AGtCBfXVU8xc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi48q3zpsnQAhUlAcAKHTjxAW4Q6AEIPzAE#v=onepage&q=statement%20analysis%20junk%20science&f=false

But if it makes the perpetrators confess to crimes they have committed who cares, as long as it works!

[Alfie]

But if it makes the perpetrators confess to crimes they have committed who cares, as long as it works!

That's the same argument for lie detectors.  The threat of being made to take one can lead to a confession but they are generally no more reliable than the throw of a dice and can lead to serious cases of miscarriages of justice.  Junk science. 

[Lace]

Let me get this straight:  Hyatt is going to analyse the McCanns' statements to decide whether or not Madeleine was sexually abused and it's going to be done live, on the internet?   Jesus wept.

That is disgusting.

[Mr Gray]

If statement analysis is such a valuable accurate tool then why does hall have to go to the Us to find a reliable expert
Is it taught in U.K. Universities..... are there any experts in the U.K. .. is there any research to back it up
None
Mr Mod used the word gullible to describe those who believe SY
What word should be used to describe those who think Hyatt has ANY  credibility
It isn't a junk science... it's junk

[Mr Gray]

Well if you want persuade the members, probably.

Does Hyatt have to show any practice in f of his statement...it would appear not

[misty]

Does Hyatt have to show any practice in f of his statement...it would appear not

If he was a true professional he would have referred to the exercise as "narrative analysis" rather than "statement analysis".

[pathfinder73]

Well it makes that all alone search in the dark more interesting like I've been saying for years.

[sadie]

I always feel solving how Jane Tanner can see Jez and Gerry but they don't see Jane will give us the solution to the MM mystery.
I have seen a scientific test where a man in a gorilla suit walks through a game and no one notices it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1378228/Didnt-spot-dancing-gorilla-famous-YouTube-video.html  play the video and see if you see the gorilla?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo

Ok

1)  From The Carpenters statements we know that there were a number of vehicles parked to the north of the Tapas Reception

2)  We have worked out in previous threads from statements that Gerry was standing on the kerb of the western pavement of Rua Dr Francisco G Martins ... more or less at the entrance to the alleyway that runs between block 5 and the Tapas area.  He was looking away from anyone walking up the pavement behind him.

3)  Jez was standing in the road close to where it meets the kerb, opposite to Gerry. Little traffic there but for safeties sake with his little one in the pushchair, he presumably tucked in close to a parked vehicle .... blocking a good deal of his vision, left and right

4)  Jane passes.  Somewhere in the statements (I think) she has made it plain that she doesn't care for Gerry too much.  Because Gerry is at the entrance to the alleyway and he is right on the kerb, she circles round him a good metre or so behind and as quietly as is possible*** and quietly continues up the road.  It is between street lamps and quite dark.   

Jane is not looking her usual attractive self, dressed in an overwhelmingly large, almost certainly dark parka / fleece belonging to Russell who is, I think, about 6'4" tall.  She was cold.   An amorphous shape and quite possibly with a hood up.
Please correct me if I am wrong on the height of Russell..





She is the partner to Russell, a consultant, and also has a good position herself, so not short of money.  *** Her so called flip-flops could be very expensive evening sandals which do not SLAP on the ground, but are like ordinary sandals sound wise.   The sound is not extra ordinary in any way. 

Gerry has his back to her, he does not notice her.

Jez has a very small window to see her, because of parked vehicles and also Gerrys large frame in front of him ... and is in any case talking lovingly about his little one looking down at him.  He doesn't know Jane and frankly there was nothing about her in Russells parka to make him notice her.  He doesn't notice her.  She doesn't even register in his brain.


About three years ago Heriberto Janosch gave a very good scientific analysis of ones field of vision.  It was surprisingly narrow

She was out of Gerrys field of Vision all the time.  Out of Jezes almost all the time, hidden by vehicles as she walked up and passed by .... and then completely out of their Field of Vision as she walked on up the hill.
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Tannerman was beyond either mans 'Field of Vision'


This is just a hypothesis but all the facts except maybe the closeness of the parked cars and the quality of the shoes is in verifyable from various statements.  It is entirely feasible

[pathfinder73]

That is disgusting.

So is KG statement.

[Robittybob1]

That's the same argument for lie detectors.  The threat of being made to take one can lead to a confession but they are generally no more reliable than the throw of a dice and can lead to serious cases of miscarriages of justice.  Junk science.

How does the miscarriage of justice follow on from that?

[Alfie]

How does the miscarriage of justice follow on from that?

When innocent people fail lie detector tests and end up in prison for a crime they didn't commit.

[Robittybob1]

When innocent people fail lie detector tests and end up in prison for a crime they didn't commit.

So the lie detector result is used as evidence?

[misty]

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/nacvsa-killer-of-five-teenagers-passes-polygraph-89107132.html

One polygraph test passed by a suspect led to an additional 44 victims. Reliance on such tests often lead to investigators looking in the wrong direction.