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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why was the first missing poster of a younger Madeleine?
« Reply #90 on: December 05, 2016, 11:02:19 AM »
The caption on this photo is obviously wrong "Family ... Madeleine McCann, centre, aged four, sitting with her younger siblings, twins Sean and Amelie, five months. Picture: AFP


Madeleine was just over two when the twins were 5 months old. 
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Offline jassi

Re: Why was the first missing poster of a younger Madeleine?
« Reply #91 on: December 05, 2016, 11:11:46 AM »
Goes to show that one can't always rely on captions.

Interesting to note how the hair colour of the twins varies - no one could consider it blond in that picture.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why was the first missing poster of a younger Madeleine?
« Reply #92 on: December 05, 2016, 11:32:02 AM »
This is the 2005  Christmas https://youtu.be/_rVPheczDfM?t=98
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Offline xtina

Re: Why was the first missing poster of a younger Madeleine?
« Reply #93 on: December 05, 2016, 12:00:47 PM »
Goes to show that one can't always rely on captions.

Interesting to note how the hair colour of the twins varies - no one could consider it blond in that picture.


is it just me ....or on the link RB has just shown ..maddie's hair looks as if there is blond streaks been put in it ..

look at it 2mins in

 https://youtu.be/_rVPheczDfM?t=98


on this one it seems like a wig .the colour....... the length ...just doesn't look right.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5nWogZxNUE

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why was the first missing poster of a younger Madeleine?
« Reply #94 on: December 05, 2016, 01:21:16 PM »

is it just me ....or on the link RB has just shown ..maddie's hair looks as if there is blond streaks been put in it ..

look at it 2mins in

 https://youtu.be/_rVPheczDfM?t=98


on this one it seems like a wig .the colour....... the length ...just doesn't look right.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5nWogZxNUE
Streaks in the first one.  But the second video it is just the effects of transferring the images to digital I think.  Too hard to tell for sure.
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Offline xtina

Re: Why was the first missing poster of a younger Madeleine?
« Reply #95 on: December 05, 2016, 01:52:50 PM »
Streaks in the first one.  But the second video it is just the effects of transferring the images to digital I think.  Too hard to tell for sure.


this is the one i meant the one you posted last night ...sorry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32POkpBO7sU

well transferring images....don't suddenly make it shorter ...and in a bob

if this was the 2006 christmas ...how could it have grown so quick in for months ...they arrived at P D L end of april
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why was the first missing poster of a younger Madeleine?
« Reply #96 on: December 05, 2016, 06:50:28 PM »

this is the one i meant the one you posted last night ...sorry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32POkpBO7sU

well transferring images....don't suddenly make it shorter ...and in a bob

if this was the 2006 christmas ...how could it have grown so quick in four months ...they arrived at P D L end of April
Well as I have proved, that video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32POkpBO7sU) was taken at  Christmas 2005, so then there is plenty of time for the hair to grow back.  It sounds like you agree do you?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why was the first missing poster of a younger Madeleine?
« Reply #97 on: December 05, 2016, 07:33:55 PM »
It is time we visited the question why did someone choose a 12 month earlier photo of Madeleine for the first poster?
Was it Russell's decision.  Was it a mistake?
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Offline jassi

Re: Why was the first missing poster of a younger Madeleine?
« Reply #98 on: December 05, 2016, 07:37:09 PM »
It is time we visited the question why did someone choose a 12 month earlier photo of Madeleine for the first poster?
Was it Russell's decision.  Was it a mistake?

Is it established that the 'first' picture is 12 months old?
I've never seen that spotted top in any other picture so cannot relate it to any particular time.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why was the first missing poster of a younger Madeleine?
« Reply #99 on: December 05, 2016, 07:43:40 PM »
Is it established that the 'first' picture is 12 months old?
I've never seen that spotted top in any other picture so cannot relate it to any particular time.
Hair length seems to be the determining factor.  I have looked for that top too, but the chubbiness makes her look younger than the Christmas 2006 photo, so I'm taking it back to the next milestone which would be her birthday 12th May 2006 as an estimate only.
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Re: Why was the first missing poster of a younger Madeleine?
« Reply #100 on: December 06, 2016, 06:38:38 AM »
Which of the GNR officers saw the photo that Amy Tierney says she printed?

Armando Augusto Morais - No

Antonio Henrique de Conceicao Duarte - Yes
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_DUARTE.htm
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As concerns the photos of the child, he says that he only saw what he calls the originals, poster type 10 x 15 cm on photographic paper. He did not see any other type of photos. Upon being shown a sample, he recognises it as being identical.

When asked he say he does not know the quantity of photos, but that there was more than one. He says that of these photos, at least five, he annexed one to the document he sent to the Tribunal and another four were handed to the officers carrying out searches, which were later returned and handed to the police, in due course.

He says he does not know who handed him the photos, different from each other, two by two.

He is sure that he is the person who received them.

He states that the photos came from inside the apartment, he still cannot say who had them. When he was inside the police car, gathering identification documents from the parents, he asked someone nearby for photos, he does not know if that person was Portuguese or British. This same person entered the apartment and came out with the photos.

He does not know whether it was Silvia Baptista who gave him the photos, as she was translating the conversations, neither whether it was someone from the family or friends.

He is sure that he received them in the early morning, at about 02.00, when the police arrived, after having carried out the first search.

He has the impression he saw the girl's father, however he cannot confirm whether he was the one to give him the photos.

He presumes he was given the photos directly, or in other words that they were not passed to him via someone else.

When questioned he says that the photos could not have been printed/revealed at the Ocean Club installations (they do not have this kind of paper). He adds that the photos produced the following day, which he observed, were printed on A4 paper, which was available at the resort.

He says no more.

Antonio Freitas Silva - No
Carlos Manuel Carvalho Lacão - No
Joao Vasco da Silva Casimiro - No
José Carlos Leal Pimental - No
Jose Maria Batista Roque - No


Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa - Yes http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA.htm
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He also notes that he saw various photographs on normal A4 paper of the girl, which had been printed at the reception, as well as other photos on photographic paper, poster type 10x15, that could not have been printed at the reception. This seemed unusual to him and he later confirmed that it was not possible for them to have been printed at the reception.
Pedro Miguel Esteves Fernandes  - No
Paulo Jorge Carvaihosa da Costa - No
Paolo Jorge Fernandes Neto - Yes
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At about 01.05-01.20 they arrived at the site. They went to Sergeant Duarte, Commander of the Lagos GNR division, who was on the corner pavement between Rua Agostinho da Silva and Rua Francisco Gentil Martins, where they were informed about the disappearance of a little girl from an apartment at the OC tourist complex.

Afterwards they received a photograph of Madeleine McCann and received orders to search the whole of the Rua da Ramalhete and the access points to Quinta da Bela Vista.

Rui Segio Lopes Silva - no

So 3 GNR officers saw photos (in plural) of the 10X15 format.  This is consistent with Amy Tierney's statement.

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why was the first missing poster of a younger Madeleine?
« Reply #101 on: December 06, 2016, 06:50:21 AM »
Silvia Batista must have known the source of these 10X15 postcard sized photos, so when questioned about where they were printed why did she try and cut Amy Tierney out of the picture?
Is this another instance of SB trying to keep AT out of the line of questioning? 

With Amy being one of the first to arrive at the apartment (evidenced by the fact that she was early enough for her to see the window open and the shutters up) you would think she would be one of the prime witnesses.

Why did Kate not have a reference to her visit in the first instance in her book?  Especially with Amy questioning Kate about Madeleine's shoes  since that being the nidus for coming to the conclusion "she had been taken", you would think Kate should have mentioned it.  Was the book vetted by Gerry before being sent for publication?

On another forum it is noted
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Where does Amy enter the scene: did Kate inform Amy and others of Madeleine's disappearance and give them access to 5A before she went to Tapas to sound the alarm? That's the only way Amy could have been inside 5A and noticed the window and shutter open...as there is no mention by any of the Tapas 9 of Amy being part of the group that returned to 5A with Kate.
That is what I understand to be the case. Amy T arrives soon after Kate is aware Madeleine is missing but not before Kate informs the T9.
It would take a bit of explaining to know how the lady picking up the child from the creche was aware of Maddie or Maggie going missing so soon after Kate appears to know about it.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm
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In reply to the question asked, she said that the back door (porta das traseiras) that leads to the parking area was closed, but she doesn't know whether the front door (porta da frente) was locked as when she arrived both the parents and a female friend of theirs whose name she does not know, were there and that is why the door was open.

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why was the first missing poster of a younger Madeleine?
« Reply #102 on: December 06, 2016, 07:12:49 AM »
Interesting discussion http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1179-amy-tierney-and-those-mysterious-6-x-4-photos-extracts-from-the-research-thread-on-3as

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On his part, John Hill informed us that the printing of large quantities of Madeleine’s photo was carried out by himself with the help of his wife, at the request of Russell O’Brien, a member of the McCann’s group of friends, John Hill stated that the photograph the colour prints were made from a mobile data disk of the “memory stick” kind that Russell O’Brien gave him on the morning of 4th May.

They both stipulated that these were the only colour printers and photocopiers in existence at the Ocean Club and that there was no other place with the capacity for colour printing.
?????
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why was the first missing poster of a younger Madeleine?
« Reply #103 on: December 06, 2016, 07:24:24 AM »
I have just noticed an error.  It states in this statement by Amy T there are previous statements yet in the file there is just one.  Does that mean some previous statements by Amy have been withheld?
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Date : 2008 ' 04 '17
Time. 10.00

Place: Praia da Luz

Name: Amy Tierney


Has made previous statements in May last year.

I have just opened up Amy Tierney's statement and it is taken in May!  "Date: 2007-05-06" Sixth of May!
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why was the first missing poster of a younger Madeleine?
« Reply #104 on: December 06, 2016, 09:55:34 AM »
Gosh this poster issue has done my head in!  What does ROB say about printing out the hundreds of posters that John Hill claimed ROB asked him to produce?
Russell O'Brien's rogatory statement seems to blame MW staff for the production of the hundreds of posters using the young faced MM photo.
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erm there were other copies printed off which I don’t know where they got to but I know that Mark WARNER, somebody in Mark WARNER made a poster, or at least an A4 err saying that there’d been, you know, there’d been a, err an abduction and that Madeleine was missing and that was circulated around the next morning, so somebody had, had, had that photograph and used it for that poster but I took, I don’t know two or three copies maybe and gave them to the Police.  I actually think ultimately there may have been more copies printed off and somebody else gave even more copies to them as well, err and I think some of the other copies were shown, were just shown to people around who were going on the searches but erm personally”.
1578    “The copies that you had, you only gave to the Police”'
 Reply    “I gave it to the Police, just to the Police”.
So that is in complete contradiction to what John Hill or Silvia Batista has said about  the production of the posters.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm
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We found a picture of Madeleine but we couldn’t print it off.  Cat or one of the nannies said that they had a printer and took the camera away to get some photos copied.  A copy of the photo was given directly to the Police, someone from the Mark Warner staff made a poster- but I do not know who that was. (page eight)

So Amy Tierney's role has been confirmed.
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