Who entered Apartment 5A and who didn't - a definitive study.

[Robittybob1]

Where was Matt when Fiona asks him to ring the police?

[G-Unit]

I think you are wrong about Duarte http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_DUARTE.htmHe sounds really tired and seemed to do all his searching from the driver's seat of his car.

I was basing it on the fact that a sample of his hair was taken, which suggests he was in the apartment at some point.

[Robittybob1]

Where was Matt when Fiona asks him to ring the police?

from Matt's 4th May statement

Then, the whole group went to Madeleine's bedroom and checked that the twins were sleeping OK. That there was no sign of a burglary in the apartment. Only one window in the childrens' bedroom was open. The window was open and the respective shutter [external blinds].

So it sounds like he saw the window open and the shutter up at that time. So he was in the apartment after the alert.

I was basing it on the fact that a sample of his hair was taken, which suggests he was in the apartment at some point.

  That could have been transferred by Silvia or Gerry when they went out to talk to him.

[Robittybob1]

As discussed on another thread Charlotte Pennington says

She also states that she searched the patio area of the residence where Madeleine stayed with her parents and siblings, and during which, she encountered many individuals inside the apartment but was not able to tell if they were complex employees or friends of the couple. She did not enter the residence in question;

[Alfie]

There was the 5 in the McCann family Kate , Gerry, Madeleine, Sean and Amelie  OK I hadn't factored in Madeleine Sean and Amelie originally  - OK so we are a quarter of the way to 20 already.

I know of the three OC MW staff well known to have been in there Amy Tierney, Emma Knight, and Silvia Batista

I think we would have to include Matt Oldfield since he did the 9:30 check (this is whether or not it is later reported he didn't go in there.

I know there were the two GNR that Kate called Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb  we should be able to get their names.  So we are up to 11 but can we find another 9?

Madeleine Sean and Amelie don't count - they didn't enter the apartment after the alarm, which is presumably the time you are interested in nailing definitively.

[jassi]

from Matt's 4th May statement So it sounds like he saw the window open and the shutter up at that time. So he was in the apartment after the alert.
  That could have been transferred by Silvia or Gerry when they went out to talk to him.

Matt's statement is wrong in that the whole group did not go to Madeleine' bedroom.  Jane was in her own apartment and only heard later and Diane was left sitting at the table.

[Robittybob1]

Matt's statement is wrong in that the whole group did not go to Madeleine' bedroom.  Jane was in her own apartment and only heard later and Diane was left sitting at the table.

I think he means basically the whole group with certain exceptions ....

[Mr Gray]

What is the start time? Is it Kate's alarm, around 10pm, in which case we have to discount MBM?

Is it 5.30pm, when the kids were signed out of high tea?

Is it 6.30pm, when David Payne testified he saw all 3 kids alive?

Is it 8.35pm when the McCanns chatted to the Carpenters at Tapas?

If you mean who's DNA was in the apartment, then we have to chuck in the cleaners (x2) and the repair men (x2).

Where are the goalposts?

some ask the question how could an abductor have entered 5a and not left dna....the answer is he would have....but was all dna collected and checked...obviouly not

[jassi]

I think he means basically the whole group with certain exceptions ....

Of course he did, but that's not what he says.  This is how errors creep in to statements.
What other errors might he and indeed other have made due to imprecise wording?

[Robittybob1]

I have looked at the links. It seems to be an assumption based solely on his rank that it was one of the GNR officers who attended the scene of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?

This is the first time I heard of this.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5764.msg224054#msg224054
One of those GNR officers was very capable of speaking English.

[Robittybob1]

Of course he did, but that's not what he says.  This is how errors creep in to statements.
What other errors might he and indeed other have made due to imprecise wording?

It could be blamed on an twice translated statement error.  As I believe the original statement should have been written in English then translated for the benefit of the investigator.  We would then be able to see exactly what Matt says provided we could read his handwriting.

[jassi]

This is going to make a definitive study a bit tricky.

[Robittybob1]

This is going to make a definitive study a bit tricky.

Cross referencing till we get the truth.

[jassi]

Cross referencing till we get the truth.

Will almost certainly involve 'interpretation' over what is meant, which will introduce bias.

[Robittybob1]

Will almost certainly involve 'interpretation' over what is meant, which will introduce bias.

That's fair enough if the end result is a workable hypothesis.
You get different solutions but you have to use the one that works.