Who entered Apartment 5A and who didn't - a definitive study.

[Robittybob1]

Vitor Martins went inside as well.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm#p15p3862
"Inside the room that was indicated as being that of the missing girl, there were two children, babies, who appeared to sleeping in two cots placed in the middle of the room."

A request was made to the OC services director for the family to be re-allocated and accordingly the babies were taken out of the room, so that the site could be searched.

[Robittybob1]

In DONAL MACINTYRE's thesis he proposed that the abductors entered the apartment twice. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/128671/Madeleine-I-know-how-she-was-taken
"After spending a week on the ground investigating the case and the methods used by the kidnappers, I can only conclude that they must have entered the apartment to carry out a rehearsal, because they were working to an incred­ibly tight schedule.

The three-minute time frame they allowed themselves left no margin for error.

But even though they did their homework with meticulous care, they still came within seconds of capture.

....."

He certainly writes his story in a dramatic fashion and it is worth a read.

[Robittybob1]

In this video Gerry lists the people who had been into the kids' bedroom and Silvia Batista "the translator" is on the list.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy2izgvPp8c

This is confirmed in Silvia's statement
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm
 "-- The deponent recalls further that she entered the bedroom where Madeleine had been
sleeping. Remembering it now that the door was closed. The interior of the room was dark. The
external blinds were down, light entering [the room] only through the holes in them. The windows
were shut and the curtains were slightly open. Gerry accompanied her on this visit, also with GNR
officers and he said that it had been him who had closed the window because the babies were still
sleeping there, which the deponent noticed to be true. Gerry stated that when he he was told about
Madeleine's disappearance he had found there the window and the blinds open, and the curtains
fluttering [as in the wind]. The deponent recalls that there were beds in the middle of the room and
that those being used by the babies were aligned [with each other] and therefore she thought it
strange that someone had taken Madeleine from the bed where she had been sleeping as far as to
the window because from that layout [of the beds] there had been no space to get past. The
deponent opened the wardrobes in the bedroom in order to check if possibly Madeleine wasn't
hidden in there. Then everyone left the bedroom someone having returned to close the door. "

[Robittybob1]

OMG Silvia has organised an experiment in the kid's bedroom with nearly everyone inside including the GNR officers.  The door to the room is shut.  OK so what is happening in the other rooms now that there is no chance of seeing what is going on????
What is Emma Knight doing while this experiment is going on?  Is this the time she is in the main bedroom with Kate head buried in prayer!
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm
"I went to the bedroom where Kate and Mrs Payne were. Kate was still upset, crying and calling Madeleine's name, shouting 'where is she''
She also banged on the headboard. At that moment I went to check on the twins in their room and they were ok."
It is covered from Kate's point of view in 'Madeleine' page 97. onward.

Also mentioned in Peter Mac's book "Kate herself states
p. 74 “He’d [Gerry had] asked Fiona to stay with me. I was in our bedroom, on my knees beside the bed, just praying and praying and praying. . . “ [3.30]

The next paragraph talks of Kate’s “sitting on the bed” whilst Emma Knights from Mark Warner came in, and then goes on to talk about Kate’s being out on the veranda when another woman appeared, and so on."
Kate remembers this person was drunk and smelt of cigarettes and Kate wanted her to go away. Who was this? Sadie always talks of cigarette buts ....

[Robittybob1]

Quote of something Silvia said to the Times:
"Sylvia Batista (Head of administration at the Ocean Club complex)
 
'She recalled that the twins were still asleep in their two cots and there was the small, bright pink wool blanket that Madeleine likes to hold when she sleeps. "We walked out quickly so as not to wake up the twins. The parents immediately said, 'She's been kidnapped'," said Batisa.'
 
Times, 06 May 2007"
Source Gerry McCanns blogs. http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id87.htm

[John]

from Matt's 4th May statement
I wonder how Matt worked out so quickly there had not been a burglary?  Especially when the window was open and the shutters up.

When one enters a burgled property it is usually immediataly noticeable with possessions strewn around everywhere.  When Matt and the other members of the group entered 5a the rooms were quite normal and not disturbed so little wonder no-one suspected that a burglary had taken place.

[Robittybob1]

When one enters a burgled property it is usually immediataly noticeable with possessions strewn around everywhere.  When Matt and the other members of the group entered 5a the rooms were quite normal and not disturbed so little wonder no-one suspected that a burglary had taken place.

I agree a lot of times there would be these features but looking at the definition of Burglary they don't seem to be essential. Google definition:
"burglary
noun
illegal entry of a building with intent to commit a crime, especially theft.
"a two-year sentence for burglary"
synonyms:   housebreaking, breaking and entering, breaking in, forced entry, theft, thieving, stealing, robbery, robbing, larceny, thievery, pilfering, pilferage, looting"

It could have been the feature of the OC based burglaries since the burglars may have had keys to leave no break in evidence and very little trace so when the victims became aware something is missing they were unsure about when it was taken.

[Robittybob1]

This is a mystery!
I have just discovered another person inside the apartment who doesn't seem to have been mentioned before.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BATISTA.htm
"That the room from which the girl disappeared was sealed off after the arrival of the GNR, as there were some persons inside the room, whom he supposed were the girl's parents, their friends, the OC Administrator, who had called his wife, Silvia Batista, to come to the site to help with translations.

So who is the OC Administrator, who had called his wife, Silvia Batista, to come to the site to help with translations? 
According to Silvia it was Crosland. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm
"She is aware of the events that occurred in the Ocean Club resort, having had knowledge of the girl's disappearance, by 22H.30 on 03/05/2007, through a telephone call from the administrator George Robin Crosland."

Does Crosland confirm this?  No, he doesn't.  In fact his statement cuts across the bows of several other statements.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBIN_CROSSLAND-1.htm
" That at around 22h15 of 03 May 2007, he was alone in his residence, situated in Lagos, and was contacted by John Hill, Mark Warner manager who works in the Ocean Club establishment and who informed him that a child, a minor, of the feminine sex, who was staying with her family in that resort, had disappeared and that he was going to initiate the 'procedure for missing child' (sic);
. The deponent left toward the local where he arrived at 22H25 and there found John Hill and other functionaries, Silvia Batista, Joao Batista, the former who is employee manager and the latter maintenance; ..."

At 22.25 he meets Silvia Batista already at the OC yet she says it is Crosland who rings her and she arrives later.
Crosland is informed by John Hill at 22.15  yet John Hill asserts he isn't informed till 22.28. 

Nothing about these statements support each other.  They might be all untrue.

So we are none the wiser who the "OC Administrator" that who seen inside the apartment.  John Hill rings Crosland so I'd expect JH to ring Silvia as well, and John does admit going over to the apartment but not inside it.

Well that is a mystery we never worked out who entered the apartment, for Crosland doesn't seem to mention being there either.
" That when he arrived at the Ocean Club, he went to the entry of the pool and the restaurant (Tapas) areas of said establishment, having there come across various individuals in the local, all of which were participating in the search for the lost child, and was made up of guests and other people;. That at around 22H50, local elements of the GNR arrived and took charge of the occurrence, and began to manage and lead the search operations of the child missing in the area;
. That until the GNR arrived at the local it was John Hill who determined what to do;
. The deponent affirms that he stayed next to the entrance of the pool and aforementioned restaurant, where he came across numerous persons, not having, at any point in time, entered in the residence where the missing child and her family had stayed; ...

The OC administrator is possibly Emma Knight or Donna Hill.

Emma says "Statement from: Emma Louise KNIGHT
Occupation: Hotel Manager
Date: 30th April 2008
I am currently an employee of the Mark Warner Holiday Company"
So she can't be call called an "OC administrator".
So does that leave Donna Hill?  For she is the Manager over the child minding staff ("head of childcare services") and she was there helping with the production of the Madeleine McCann posters. 
We don't have a statement from Donna Hill to cross reference against.
From Processos Vol I
Pages 86 –90
External Activity Report
"Donna Louise Rafferty Hill (contactable by mobile phone number 964...) responsible for the crèche employees belonging to the "MARK WARNER" company,...."

There are reports of this English woman turning up at the apartment who is totally inebriated and smelling of cigarettes.  Who was this?
I found a reference to her in Google Books https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=Gl1YDgqho6kC&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=Madeleine+mccann+cigarettes+woman&source=bl&ots=1vHrgDokrd&sig=wTamGea0sClFKXDRyMnvfxrp8Ds&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjcn4u4qqXRAhUEmZQKHfrvC5k4ChDoAQgZMAA#v=onepage&q=Madeleine%20mccann%20cigarettes%20woman&f=false

"Donna Hill is likely to be requestioned early in the New Year." http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/541742/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-set-to-quiz-key-witnesses-again

I didn't even know Donna Hill had been questioned let alone requestioned.
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2015/08/05/madeleine-john-hill/  - some good background information.

[Robittybob1]

There is no easy explanation for why so many statements are not linking to the next one.  The true explanation needs to be found.
I just read this sentence again "So who is the OC Administrator, who had called his wife, Silvia Batista, to come to the site to help with translations?"
For that implies it was not just fortuitous that Silvia was there and could translate but Joao Batista says she was asked to attend by an OC Administrator for the purposes of "translating".  It was planned that she be there for a specific purpose.

[ShiningInLuz]

This is a mystery!
I have just discovered another person inside the apartment who doesn't seem to have been mentioned before.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BATISTA.htm
"That the room from which the girl disappeared was sealed off after the arrival of the GNR, as there were some persons inside the room, whom he supposed were the girl's parents, their friends, the OC Administrator, who had called his wife, Silvia Batista, to come to the site to help with translations.

So who is the OC Administrator, who had called his wife, Silvia Batista, to come to the site to help with translations? 
According to Silvia it was Crosland. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm
"She is aware of the events that occurred in the Ocean Club resort, having had knowledge of the girl's disappearance, by 22H.30 on 03/05/2007, through a telephone call from the administrator George Robin Crosland."

Does Crosland confirm this?  No, he doesn't.  In fact his statement cuts across the bows of several other statements.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBIN_CROSSLAND-1.htm
" That at around 22h15 of 03 May 2007, he was alone in his residence, situated in Lagos, and was contacted by John Hill, Mark Warner manager who works in the Ocean Club establishment and who informed him that a child, a minor, of the feminine sex, who was staying with her family in that resort, had disappeared and that he was going to initiate the 'procedure for missing child' (sic);
. The deponent left toward the local where he arrived at 22H25 and there found John Hill and other functionaries, Silvia Batista, Joao Batista, the former who is employee manager and the latter maintenance; ..."

At 22.25 he meets Silvia Batista already at the OC yet she says it is Crosland who rings her and she arrives later.
Crosland is informed by John Hill at 22.15  yet John Hill asserts he isn't informed till 22.28. 

Nothing about these statements support each other.  They might be all untrue.

So we are none the wiser who the "OC Administrator" that who seen inside the apartment.  John Hill rings Crosland so I'd expect JH to ring Silvia as well, and John does admit going over to the apartment but not inside it.

Well that is a mystery we never worked out who entered the apartment, for Crosland doesn't seem to mention being there either.
" That when he arrived at the Ocean Club, he went to the entry of the pool and the restaurant (Tapas) areas of said establishment, having there come across various individuals in the local, all of which were participating in the search for the lost child, and was made up of guests and other people;. That at around 22H50, local elements of the GNR arrived and took charge of the occurrence, and began to manage and lead the search operations of the child missing in the area;
. That until the GNR arrived at the local it was John Hill who determined what to do;
. The deponent affirms that he stayed next to the entrance of the pool and aforementioned restaurant, where he came across numerous persons, not having, at any point in time, entered in the residence where the missing child and her family had stayed; ...

The OC administrator is possibly Emma Knight or Donna Hill.

Emma says "Statement from: Emma Louise KNIGHT
Occupation: Hotel Manager
Date: 30th April 2008
I am currently an employee of the Mark Warner Holiday Company"
So she can't be call called an "OC administrator".
So does that leave Donna Hill?  For she is the Manager over the child minding staff ("head of childcare services") and she was there helping with the production of the Madeleine McCann posters. 
We don't have a statement from Donna Hill to cross reference against.
From Processos Vol I
Pages 86 –90
External Activity Report
"Donna Louise Rafferty Hill (contactable by mobile phone number 964...) responsible for the crèche employees belonging to the "MARK WARNER" company,...."

There are reports of this English woman turning up at the apartment who is totally inebriated and smelling of cigarettes.  Who was this?
I found a reference to her in Google Books https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=Gl1YDgqho6kC&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=Madeleine+mccann+cigarettes+woman&source=bl&ots=1vHrgDokrd&sig=wTamGea0sClFKXDRyMnvfxrp8Ds&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjcn4u4qqXRAhUEmZQKHfrvC5k4ChDoAQgZMAA#v=onepage&q=Madeleine%20mccann%20cigarettes%20woman&f=false

"Donna Hill is likely to be requestioned early in the New Year." http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/541742/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-set-to-quiz-key-witnesses-again

I didn't even know Donna Hill had been questioned let alone requestioned.
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2015/08/05/madeleine-john-hill/  - some good background information.

Your first statement quote was made by Jaõa Batista, who as the clip says is the husband of Silvia Batista.  As to the term OC administrator, such terms are routinely slopped about, rather than some highly specific job title.

[Robittybob1]

Your first statement quote was made by Jaõa Batista, who as the clip says is the husband of Silvia Batista.  As to the term OC administrator, such terms are routinely slopped about, rather than some highly specific job title.

I understood that, but I then tried to work out who that was.   The only administrator who seems to be involved in the proceedings that is not asked for a statement is Donna Hill.  Maybe her statement is one of the many  that wasn't released on the DVD.
One would that must be the case for they say she was going to be "reinterviewed".

[ShiningInLuz]

I understood that, but I then tried to work out who that was.   The only administrator who seems to be involved in the proceedings that is not asked for a statement is Donna Hill.  Maybe her statement is one of the many  that wasn't released on the DVD.
One would that must be the case for they say she was going to be "reinterviewed".

What?

You tried to work out who João Batista was when his statement is that Silvia Batista is his wife?

[Robittybob1]

What?

You tried to work out who João Batista was when his statement is that Silvia Batista is his wife?

I missed the word think in the sentence "One would <think> that must be the case for they say she was going to be "reinterviewed"."

I know who João Batista is but he is aware of an Ocean Club Administrator in the McCann's apartment.  Well that is how I read it.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BATISTA.htm

"Whilst he was at the resort he did not see anything unusual.

That the room from which the girl disappeared was sealed off after the arrival of the GNR, as there were some persons inside the room, whom he supposed were the girl's parents, their friends, the OC Administrator, who had called his wife, Silvia Batista, to come to the site to help with translations."

So who did the GNR remove from the room?
1. the girl's parents,
2. their friends,
3. the OC Administrator (who had called his wife, Silvia Batista, to come to the site to help with translations).

So he can't have been talking about himself or his wife, so who is the "OC Administrator" he is talking about?
That "OC Administrator" was the one who called his wife.  She says it was Crosland who called her but it was John Hill that rang Crosland.  Crosland denies going into the 5A apartment. So it can't have been Robin Crosland.

[ShiningInLuz]

I missed the word think in the sentence "One would <think> that must be the case for they say she was going to be "reinterviewed"."

I know who João Batista is but he is aware of an Ocean Club Administrator in the McCann's apartment.  Well that is how I read it.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BATISTA.htm

"Whilst he was at the resort he did not see anything unusual.

That the room from which the girl disappeared was sealed off after the arrival of the GNR, as there were some persons inside the room, whom he supposed were the girl's parents, their friends, the OC Administrator, who had called his wife, Silvia Batista, to come to the site to help with translations."

So who did the GNR remove from the room?
1. the girl's parents,
2. their friends,
3. the OC Administrator (who had called his wife, Silvia Batista, to come to the site to help with translations).

So he can't have been talking about himself or his wife, so who is the "OC Administrator" he is talking about?
That "OC Administrator" was the one who called his wife.  She says it was Crosland who called her but it was John Hill that rang Crosland.  Crosland denies going into the 5A apartment. So it can't have been Robin Crosland.

"whom he supposed were" i.e. supposition.

[misty]

From the original Portuguese statement
"que tem cohecimento da situacao que occureu no Ocean Club, referente ao desparecimeto da crianca, tendo cido informado no propria dia, pelas 2230hrs atraves da telefone pelo Administador do Ocean Club, o qual havia contactado com a sua esposa, Sra. Silvia Batista.... "

Translates to
"Which is aware of the situation that occured in the Ocean Club, referring to the disappearance of the child, having been informed on the same day, at 2230hrs on the telephone by the Manager of the Ocean Club, which had contacted his wife Sra. Silvia Batista......"

which makes absolute sense.