Author Topic: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?  (Read 76615 times)

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Offline carlymichelle

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #540 on: December 20, 2016, 09:28:50 AM »
If working class people leave their kids home alone it's child neglect. If middle class doctors do it it's a normal part of British culture. If working class teenagers misbehave they're hooligans. If middle-class teenagers do it it's high spirits. Just traditional British double standards.

exactly and it shouldnt be that way  if a  working    class british family had  done  what the mcanns did the press would have hounded them right??  and  taken the twins off them

Offline carlymichelle

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #541 on: December 20, 2016, 09:35:18 AM »
the mcanns havent been  as hounded as much online as the ramsey family  read  websluths  its alot worse then  what is  written about the mcanns im not  defending the  ramseys but you know  what  i  mean
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ferryman

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Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #542 on: December 20, 2016, 09:44:00 AM »
the mcanns havent been  as hounded as much online as the ramsey family  read  websluths  its alot worse then  what is  written about the mcanns im not  defending the  ramseys but you know  what  i  mean

Leaving aside comment on the comparison, the acknowledgement that the McCanns have been hounded is a start.

stephen25000

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Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #543 on: December 20, 2016, 09:54:57 AM »
You must be extremely forgetful.

Not in the slightest. 8(0(*

Offline Robittybob1

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #544 on: December 20, 2016, 10:00:17 AM »
Not in the slightest. 8(0(*
That proves it. Very forgetful.
I asked you a question earlier and you haven't answered it.  I want you to show me how much you know.
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stephen25000

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Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #545 on: December 20, 2016, 10:05:58 AM »
That proves it. Very forgetful.
I asked you a question earlier and you haven't answered it.  I want you to show me how much you know.

You have proved nothing, except to try and massage your ego.

The question was answered before I even saw it.

By the way, other than the McCann case, do you have any interests in life ?

It would seem you don't.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #546 on: December 20, 2016, 10:11:27 AM »
You have proved nothing, except to try and massage your ego.

The question was answered before I even saw it.

By the way, other than the McCann case, do you have any interests in life ?

It would seem you don't.
I forgot the question and the answer.  How long was Jez going to stay on holiday.  Was that answered?
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Offline Benice

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #547 on: December 20, 2016, 10:19:51 AM »
exactly and it shouldnt be that way  if a  working    class british family had  done  what the mcanns did the press would have hounded them right??  and  taken the twins off them

Are you for real?  The press hounded the McCanns with all kinds of terrible lies and accusations for months on end.  Being doctors didn't make one iota of difference.

You still haven't explained why IYO all those parents who adopt the same method of childcare as the McCanns - don't have their kids taken off them for breaking the law - on their return home from their hols.


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ferryman

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Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #548 on: December 20, 2016, 10:36:58 AM »


I highlighted a case (in England) of where a child-minder left a child strapped in the carseat of a car for (from memory) 5 hours.  The incident cost her her business.  But a criminal prosecution against her collapsed, because there was no evidence she had acted with intent.

Parallel strands of the Napoleonic Code (that pertains in Portugal) and the Adversarial Code (that pertains in England and elsewhere) is that the commission of any crime requires both of two elements: culpable behaviour AND intent.  The absence of either element means no crime has been committed.
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stephen25000

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Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #549 on: December 20, 2016, 10:38:46 AM »
I highlighted a case (in England) of where a child-minder left a child strapped in the carseat of a car for (from memory) 5 hours.  The incident cost her her business.  But a criminal prosecution against her collapsed, because there was no evidence she had acted with intent.

Parallel strands of the Napoleonic Code (that pertains in Portugal) and the Adversarial Code (that pertains in England and elsewhere) is that the commission of any crime requires both of two elements: culpable behaviour AND intent.  The absence of either element means no crime has been committed.

Read around.

Offline G-Unit

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #550 on: December 20, 2016, 10:47:40 AM »
But it is tolerated and even encouraged in holiday venues where parents are offered the Listening Service for the express purpose of leaving their children alone in their rooms and going out without them    Parents also still use baby alarms to enable them to leave their children alone in their rooms and go out.   It's not rocket science to see that in common with the McCanns -  they have all decided it is a safe form of childcare.

 If leaving their children asleep in their room every night and going out is breaking the law - then why in your opinion have none of these holiday-makers been arrested or had their children taken into care on their return home?

Unless you can explain that lack of prosecutions -  you will have to accept that no laws are being broken at these holiday venues by any of the parents who have chosen to use the same method of childcare as the McCanns and their friends.   

IMO

 

Listening Services are offered in closed complexes, not villages open to anyone. Can you show such a service on offer in a similar location to Luz?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #551 on: December 20, 2016, 11:03:33 AM »
I highlighted a case (in England) of where a child-minder left a child strapped in the carseat of a car for (from memory) 5 hours.  The incident cost her her business.  But a criminal prosecution against her collapsed, because there was no evidence she had acted with intent.

Parallel strands of the Napoleonic Code (that pertains in Portugal) and the Adversarial Code (that pertains in England and elsewhere) is that the commission of any crime requires both of two elements: culpable behaviour AND intent.  The absence of either element means no crime has been committed.

So hitting someone who then dies is OK as long as you didn't intend to kill them? You haven't committed a crime?
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #552 on: December 20, 2016, 11:07:55 AM »

When one considers how the family court operates it would be extremely unlikely that Joe Public could come up with an example as the procedure of the family court is mostly not for public consumption.
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Offline Lace

Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #553 on: December 20, 2016, 11:17:11 AM »
Are you for real?  The press hounded the McCanns with all kinds of terrible lies and accusations for months on end.  Being doctors didn't make one iota of difference.

You still haven't explained why IYO all those parents who adopt the same method of childcare as the McCanns - don't have their kids taken off them for breaking the law - on their return home from their hols.

If anything the McCann's have been hounded more because they are Drs. and middle class.

This 'if they were council tenants'  rubbish is spouted all the time,  but nothing to back it up.

stephen25000

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Re: When will the online persecution of the McCanns end?
« Reply #554 on: December 20, 2016, 11:25:02 AM »
If anything the McCann's have been hounded more because they are Drs. and middle class.

This 'if they were council tenants'  rubbish is spouted all the time,  but nothing to back it up.

Not rubbish.

Mere facts.

Now let's see cases where Brits have been abroad, oe even here, where Prime Minister's and their wife's, and other Government Ministers   have direct contact , including phone calls , with suspects in a potential criminal case.