Can a Case Be Made for a 8.45-9pm Wilkins/Gerry Chat?

[faithlilly]

According to Diane Webster both Gerry and Oldfield were not at the tale when she, her daughter and son-in-law arrived at the tapas bar.

' Asked, she adds that she went to the restaurant in the company of her daughter and son-in-law.
- Asked directly if someone had gone to her apartment to call them (herself and the PAYNE couple) for dinner the witness said no.
- Asked if there was the possibility of having crossed paths with someone during the journey between her apartment and restaurant, the witness said no.
- That night she judges to have arrived at the restaurant close to 21:00, in the company of the PAYNE couple.
- That, at that time, the whole group were at the restaurant. The witness did not recall, but thinks that perhaps Gerald and MATT had not been in the restaurant along with the other members of the group.
- In this regard, asked specifically whether, on the journey to the restaurant, if they had passed either of the two individuals described in the preceding paragraph, she answered categorically not. '

Was Gerry's check at nearer nine rather than 9.15? Does this explain his normal behaviour when talking to Wilkins? Did he then make a further check at 9.30 at which point he found Madeleine missing? Was the voice calling Madeleine's name softly heard by the Carpenter's Gerry's after finding her missing from her bed?

[Alfie]

According to Diane Webster both Gerry and Oldfield were not at the tale when she, her daughter and son-in-law arrived at the tapas bar.

' Asked, she adds that she went to the restaurant in the company of her daughter and son-in-law.
- Asked directly if someone had gone to her apartment to call them (herself and the PAYNE couple) for dinner the witness said no.
- Asked if there was the possibility of having crossed paths with someone during the journey between her apartment and restaurant, the witness said no.
- That night she judges to have arrived at the restaurant close to 21:00, in the company of the PAYNE couple.
- That, at that time, the whole group were at the restaurant. The witness did not recall, but thinks that perhaps Gerald and MATT had not been in the restaurant along with the other members of the group.
- In this regard, asked specifically whether, on the journey to the restaurant, if they had passed either of the two individuals described in the preceding paragraph, she answered categorically not. '

Was Gerry's check at nearer nine rather than 9.15? Does this explain his normal behaviour when talking to Wilkins? Did he then make a further check at 9.30 at which point he found Madeleine missing? Was the voice calling Madeleine's name softly heard by the Carpenter's Gerry's after finding her missing from her bed?

It makes one wonder what the people who run this forum actually believe constitutes libel.  Here we have a post which has been authorised by a mod in which it is being suggested that it was Gerry, not Kate who found Madeleine missing during a check he has never spoken about and which suggests a reason for him behaving "normally" during his chat with Jez (as opposed to behaving how, exactly)? 
Bizarre!

[Alfie]

If Jez finished talking with Gerry at 9pm what did he (Jez) do in the intervening 30 minutes before returning to his apartment?

[faithlilly]

If Jez finished talking with Gerry at 9pm what did he (Jez) do in the intervening 30 minutes before returning to his apartment?

Wilkins said himself that he guesstimated their chat being between 8.45 and 9.15.

[Alfie]

Wilkins said himself that he guesstimated their chat being between 8.45 and 9.15.

he also said he went straight back to his apartment after the chat and arrived about 9.30pm if I recall correctly.  So.....?

[faithlilly]

he also said he went straight back to his apartment after the chat and arrived about 9.30pm if I recall correctly.  So.....?

Maybe I'm missing where Wilkins says he arrived at his apartment at 9.30pm. Could you provide the quote please?

[John]

Wilkins said himself that he guesstimated their chat being between 8.45 and 9.15.

I find that very difficult to accept, the time period is far too wide given what occurred that night.

[Alfie]

Maybe I'm missing where Wilkins says he arrived at his apartment at 9.30pm. Could you provide the quote please?

OK, he didn't say it, but his wife did. 

"Our baby would not sleep and at about 8.30pm, Jes took him out for a walk in the buggy to settle him. Gerry was on his way back from checking on his children and the two men stopped to have a chat. They talked about daughters, fathers, families. Gerry was relaxed and friendly. They discussed the babysitting dilemmas at the resort and Gerry said that he and Kate would have stayed in too, if they had not been on holiday in a group. Jes returned to our apartment just before 9.30pm".

[Alfie]

Did anyone report Gerry leaving the table at around 9.30pm?

[Robittybob1]

Did anyone report Gerry leaving the table at around 9.30pm?

I don't believe everytime anyone stood up or moved around is recorded in the file. He can't have gone to the toilet for he already had been there in his apartment.  Unless he needed to go again. 

[Alfie]

I find that very difficult to accept, the time period is far too wide given what occurred that night.

dissociative amnesia innit.

[Robittybob1]

If Jez finished talking with Gerry at 9pm what did he (Jez) do in the intervening 30 minutes before returning to his apartment?

That is the real question that needs to be asked in conjunction with how did both Matt and Russell not know when Gerry of Jane return to the table around 21.20 or earlier.

[Alfie]

That is the real question that needs to be asked in conjunction with how did both Matt and Russell not know when Gerry of Jane return to the table around 21.20 or earlier.

I don't really think it is.

[Robittybob1]

Wilkins said himself that he guesstimated their chat being between 8.45 and 9.15.

What do you think Jez' statement means?   When he said "their chat being between 8.45 and 9.15"  is this the duration or the range of start times or the possible start time and possible finish time?

I don't really think it is.

It is if it is to treated as evidence.

[Alfie]

What do you think Jez' statement means?   When he said "their chat being between 8.45 and 9.15"  is this the duration or the range of start times or the possible start time and possible finish time?
It is if it is to treated as evidence.

Jes was with his baby in a pram.  We know this for a fact.  So that's what he was doing, only he wasn't doing it for 30 minutes after his chat with Gerry because he went back to the apartment afterwards.  So the 30 minutes afer the chat doesn't exist.  This thread is just mischief making, for want of anything else to discuss.