Can a Case Be Made for a 8.45-9pm Wilkins/Gerry Chat?

[Alfie]

I might sound quacked but I don't look or swim or walk like a duck.

I'll have to take your word for that.

[Alice Purjorick]

You make it sound like he deliberately set out to be vague.

What a strange thing to say
How do you arrive at that?

[Robittybob1]

What a strange thing to say
How do you arrive at that?

You do that by applying the Duck Test.  Read his rogatory statement and then come and say you are convinced he is being open.  I dare you to try.  Here we are testing the observation "he deliberately set out to be vague". Not Alfie's interpretation "You make it sound like he deliberately set out to be vague."
Which one did you want tested?

[Alfie]

What a strange thing to say
How do you arrive at that?

"What does stand out is that Wilkins has absolutely no intention of giving a more exact time".

[G-Unit]

You make it sound like he deliberately set out to be vague.

His first contact with the authorities was on 4th May, when he reported 'rasta man', who entered the Tapas restaurant where Mr Wilkins was between 8.30 and 9 pm.

His second contact was 7th May, and he is now in the toilet near the bar; not only is he no longer in the restaurant, he can't see into it either. Amaral asked what time he saw Gerry, but the question isn't answered.

In November Op task are back for 'background information'. I don't know if the PJ requested this visit, but they were given the statement. He is now in the bar, which is where the toilet was, it seems (not 'near'?). On 4th May this happened between 8.30 and 9 pm, but he no longer remembers that.

Both the PJ and the McCanns asked what time he met Gerry in their rog. questions, but he would only say 8.45-9.15.

Quite possibly Mr Wilkins had no idea where he was or at what time so he's vague because of that. He does, however, say he went to his apartment after his chat with Gerry. He ate dinner, watched a DVD and was in bed at 11pm. His wife says that all began at around 9.30pm. If she's right he was speaking to Gerry shortly before that so it begs the question why he insists on a half hour possibility.

4th May
He told us that yesterday, between 8.30 and 9pm, while he was in the "TAPAS" restaurant, he noted that a person of around 1.70m, with long blond hair, apparently of the "Rasta," style and dressed in green military-style clothes, entered the restaurant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

7th May
I was pushing the pram around the complex and went to the toilet near the bar. I could not see inside the restaurant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

November
He walked around the main area of the resort and eventually ended up in the Tapas bar where he used the toilet facility. He was unable to state what time this was.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

Rog
As stated in my original deposition, I believe that I left the apartment around 20h30. I calculate that I met Gerry on the road between 20h45 and 21h15. I am aware of the importance of this hour and am also aware that the media announced our meeting time as 21h05. Even if this were correct, I have no idea from where such information originated. It is not possible to give you a more exact time.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

[Robittybob1]

Then when you read the rest of the rogatory statement I was left with the impression he was being vague. There were at least 5 points of total vagueness.  I commented on the specifics a couple of days ago. 

[Alfie]

His first contact with the authorities was on 4th May, when he reported 'rasta man', who entered the Tapas restaurant where Mr Wilkins was between 8.30 and 9 pm.

His second contact was 7th May, and he is now in the toilet near the bar; not only is he no longer in the restaurant, he can't see into it either. Amaral asked what time he saw Gerry, but the question isn't answered.

In November Op task are back for 'background information'. I don't know if the PJ requested this visit, but they were given the statement. He is now in the bar, which is where the toilet was, it seems (not 'near'?). On 4th May this happened between 8.30 and 9 pm, but he no longer remembers that.

Both the PJ and the McCanns asked what time he met Gerry in their rog. questions, but he would only say 8.45-9.15.

Quite possibly Mr Wilkins had no idea where he was or at what time so he's vague because of that. He does, however, say he went to his apartment after his chat with Gerry. He ate dinner, watched a DVD and was in bed at 11pm. His wife says that all began at around 9.30pm. If she's right he was speaking to Gerry shortly before that so it begs the question why he insists on a half hour possibility.

4th May
He told us that yesterday, between 8.30 and 9pm, while he was in the "TAPAS" restaurant, he noted that a person of around 1.70m, with long blond hair, apparently of the "Rasta," style and dressed in green military-style clothes, entered the restaurant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

7th May
I was pushing the pram around the complex and went to the toilet near the bar. I could not see inside the restaurant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

November
He walked around the main area of the resort and eventually ended up in the Tapas bar where he used the toilet facility. He was unable to state what time this was.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

Rog
As stated in my original deposition, I believe that I left the apartment around 20h30. I calculate that I met Gerry on the road between 20h45 and 21h15. I am aware of the importance of this hour and am also aware that the media announced our meeting time as 21h05. Even if this were correct, I have no idea from where such information originated. It is not possible to give you a more exact time.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

So what?

[Robittybob1]

So what?

What was the other saying: "there is none so blind as those that don't want to see".

[Alice Purjorick]

"What does stand out is that Wilkins has absolutely no intention of giving a more exact time".

It does stand out that Mr Wilkins was not prepared to be Shanghai'd into giving a more accurate time scale.
I don't see anything sinister in either him being steadfast or anyone else saying he was so.

[Robittybob1]

It does stand out that Mr Wilkins was not prepared to be Shanghai'd into giving a more accurate time scale.
I don't see anything sinister in either him being steadfast or anyone else saying he was so.

Fair enough you can take that view, but I was thinking what tests could SY apply to really find out whether it is true or not, and there is one I would like applied.
Same questions as Goncalo asked we could ask them again "- Did Wilkins travel with anyone else?
- If he has children and what age are they?"  Travel documents, passports, etc  maybe they are still around.
And actually sight the kids this time.  Do DNA tests on them if need be.

[Alice Purjorick]

Fair enough you can take that view, but I was thinking what tests could SY apply to really find out whether it is true or not, and there is one I would like applied.
Same questions as Goncalo asked we could ask them again "- Did Wilkins travel with anyone else?
- If he has children and what age are they?"  Travel documents, passports, etc  maybe they are still around.

I do take that view.
You might like a test applied but how do you know the PJ, The Met and LP have not applied it jointly or severally ?
More to the point whatever the test is The Met and PJ are hardly likely to apply it at your behest.

[John]

You do that by applying the Duck Test.  Read his rogatory statement and then come and say you are convinced he is being open.  I dare you to try.  Here we are testing the observation "he deliberately set out to be vague". Not Alfie's interpretation "You make it sound like he deliberately set out to be vague."
Which one did you want tested?

What was his excuse for not taking part in the Portuguese reconstruction?

[Robittybob1]

I do take that view.
You might like a test applied but how do you know the PJ, The Met and LP have not applied it jointly or severally ?
More to the point whatever the test is The Met and PJ are hardly likely to apply it at your behest.

There are not that many active discussion boards so maybe they do look in here from time to time.  If we can develop a robust argument there could be the idea seeded that they should just apply those tests.  How long would it take to ring him up and say can we talk to your kids please?

[Alice Purjorick]

There are not that many active discussion boards so maybe they do look in here from time to time.  If we can develop a robust argument there could be the idea seeded that they should just apply those tests.  How long would it take to ring him up and say can we talk to your kids please?

What's this "we" business paleface. In the words of Sam Goldwyn "include me out".

[Robittybob1]

What was his excuse for not taking part in the Portuguese reconstruction?

http://textusa.blogspot.co.nz/2015/02/bladderman.html does a major study on the whole issue.  Even if that site has no favour here (I'm unsure) it certainly shows that Jez' statements have been questioned before.

Here is an comment left on that blog with the reference to the emails. (http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RE_ENACTMENT.htm)

"Jes, as he likes to spell it, fell remarkably in line with the McCann's and Tapas group's defensive stance on a proposed PJ reconstruction in 2008.

His reply emails, signed 'Jes', via proxy 'Stu' from the UK police to the PJ are in synergy with the Tapas Group response - Including the questions he raises to its objectives, its worth and the dates of his replies.

In conclusion he appears to completely tow the party line in relation to hesitations in partaking, despite pretending to appear willing. Contact was made.

A good read:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RE_ENACTMENT.htm

IMO it makes no sense, no sense that as an external, uninvolved party he would not simply respond, 'Yes. What are the hours?'

He is the drafted 10th member to add external credence to timelines & checks - a late signing.