Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Eleanor]

In order to accuse the PJ of failing you first need to show that the PJ knew there was a problem.

I thought Kate mentioned it to them.  Am I wrong about that?

[Eleanor]

Kate's pals Tweedledee and Tweedledum wouldn't have been aware what was a normal sleep pattern for the twins but their parents obviously were yet did nothing.  Were they so engulfed in trauma that they couldn't think properly??

This is indeed a possibility.

[G-Unit]

Kate's pals Tweedledee and Tweedledum wouldn't have been aware what was a normal sleep pattern for the twins but their parents obviously were yet did nothing.  Were they so engulfed in trauma that they couldn't think properly??

Wouldn't the trauma be more likely to make you more panicky about your remaining children, not less?

[Alice Purjorick]

Liaison officers have a dual task Rob.  To offer support and act as a liaison with the investigating officers and also to gather information and evidence.  Anyone who thinks that they are only there to provide a shoulder to cry on are just a tad naive.

The clue is in the missing word of their title:
Family Liaison Police Officers.

"Although FLOs offer support, their main role is to gather evidence and information from the family to help with the investigation. People are not always aware of this and so tensions arise".

Read more: http://www.healthtalk.org/peoples-experiences/dying-bereavement/bereavement-due-traumatic-death/police-family-liaison-officers-role#ixzz4U5DjAik2

[Robittybob1]

Take blood samples initially. Send them for analysis.

Unless you knew what you are looking for the tests would be very expensive.

[Robittybob1]

But they didn't appear to be okay or why did Kate, allegedly, raise her concerns with the PJ officers?

It was just the fact that they slept through all the noise and additional movement in their bedroom.  They all thought that was really strange.

[jassi]

Unless you knew what you are looking for the tests would be very expensive.

Not necessarily, blood gases are cheap, as are some standard toxicology tests.

[Robittybob1]

Dial 112?

Ask OC reception to call an ambulance?

Ask John Hill to get help?

Did he allow his staff to ring the Police at the earliest opportunity?

Ask OC reception to call the Police.  Did it happen?

Ask John Hill to get help.

[Robittybob1]

Not necessarily, blood gases are cheap, as are some standard toxicology tests.

Blood gases?  Will they tell if a child is sedated?
How would they take blood samples from 2 year olds.That is going to be fun and games.

[jassi]

Blood gases?  Will they tell if a child is sedated?
How would they take blood samples from 2 year olds.That is going to be fun and games.

It's one of the ways you would manage & monitor a suspected overdose.
Identification of  drugs often comes much later, after  the clinical situation has been dealt with.

[jassi]

Blood gases?  Will they tell if a child is sedated?
How would they take blood samples from 2 year olds.That is going to be fun and games.

Same way as getting a sample from an adult. You shove a needle into a vein.

[Robittybob1]

It's one of the ways you would manage & monitor a suspected overdose.
Identification of  drugs often comes much later, after  the clinical situation has been dealt with.

OK but there was only minor signs of an immediate clinical situation.  The only sign was that they seemed to be slow to wake up, which had the advantage of Kate being able to easily organise and help with the search.

[Robittybob1]

Same way as getting a sample from an adult. You shove a needle into a vein.

You are not a nurse by the sounds of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9d7YtTxknk  That is what I'd imagine it was like.

[sadie]

You are not a nurse by the sounds of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9d7YtTxknk  That is what I'd imagine it was like.

And another one @ 2.30 onwards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs0oz96LPYc

Simple to fit a little blood test in like that, innit?
-  With two, not one, 2 year olds
-  and when you are desperately searching for your missing eldest daughter
-  and when you have no car
-  and when you dont speak the language
-  and when you dont know where the nearest hospital is
-  and when you dont know if it will be open, or closed
-  and when you need to be at home in case your missing daughter should come home
-  and when you need to be in to talk to the Police
-  and you are in shock and crying
-  and when it is the middle of the night as far as the children are concerned
-  and when you are a doctor, surrounded by doctors who will help should help be needed

Simple to get those blood tests innit ?

Just stick a needle in the vein, simples ... jassi knows !  %&5%£

[faithlilly]

One question. Is it ever acceptable, no matter what the circumstances, to suspect your child may have been given a lethal dose of an unknown sedative yet do nothing and alert no one?