Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[jassi]

We're not discussing whether you think the twins were sedated or not, we're discussing Kate McCann's ''fears that all three children could have been sedated'' and her failure to act upon her fears.

According to the descriptions given by various witnesses the twins were completely unresponsive to noise, light, cold and movement. That gives them a possible score of on the Ramsay Sedation Scale (which I'm sure you're familiar with given your medical knowledge).

I'm quite sure that all the doctors present knew that the very first thing you do if you have an unresponsive patient is try to rouse them; by shaking if necessary.

If police officers fail to rouse a drunk regularly in the cells it's a serious disciplinary offence.

If Kate McCann feared her twins had been sedated her first response should have been to attempt to waken them.

 

[ShiningInLuz]

We're not discussing whether you think the twins were sedated or not, we're discussing Kate McCann's ''fears that all three children could have been sedated'' and her failure to act upon her fears.

According to the descriptions given by various witnesses the twins were completely unresponsive to noise, light, cold and movement. That gives them a possible score of on the Ramsay Sedation Scale (which I'm sure you're familiar with given your medical knowledge).

I'm quite sure that all the doctors present knew that the very first thing you do if you have an unresponsive patient is try to rouse them; by shaking if necessary.

If police officers fail to rouse a drunk regularly in the cells it's a serious disciplinary offence.

If Kate McCann feared her twins had been sedated her first response should have been to attempt to waken them.

I was not aware of the Ramsey Sedation Scale, so I cannot comment on that aspect.  However, if you are correct, then failure to waken the twins would be very odd indeed.

Suspecting the twins were sedated and not ensuring the PJ were informed goes beyond very odd.  It was vital in working out what happened to Madeleine.

[Alice Purjorick]

Ì obviously have  knowledge of both
I don't believe the twins were sedated

Why is it obvious?

[Robittybob1]

And that's the point. We know from her own writings that she was concerned that the twins had been sedated. Why try to alert the PJ to the fact if she did not believe they were in danger?

Not so much the danger but another clue in this case.

[Robittybob1]

We're not discussing whether you think the twins were sedated or not, we're discussing Kate McCann's ''fears that all three children could have been sedated'' and her failure to act upon her fears.

According to the descriptions given by various witnesses the twins were completely unresponsive to noise, light, cold and movement. That gives them a possible score of on the Ramsay Sedation Scale (which I'm sure you're familiar with given your medical knowledge).

I'm quite sure that all the doctors present knew that the very first thing you do if you have an unresponsive patient is try to rouse them; by shaking if necessary.

If police officers fail to rouse a drunk regularly in the cells it's a serious disciplinary offence.

If Kate McCann feared her twins had been sedated her first response should have been to attempt to waken them.

The question in the OP was "Does the forum think this is really practical?  What would be the point?", so I don't mind that we're discussing Kate McCann's ''fears that all three children could have been sedated'' and her failure to act upon her fears".

What I see is a bit of your own bias coming through for without any proof you are blaming Kate for failing to act on those fears.  Yet in her own book it has been reported she wanted and asked for the twins to be  tested.  So I tend to think it was someone else's failure.

[Alfie]

Some people seem to be operating under the mistaken belief that every word uttered by the McCanns to every other witness / official / law enforcement was recorded and entered in the files and so if it's not recorded in the files then it's proof they didn't say it. 

[Robittybob1]

It seems a very difficult thing to do and no one has really proposed a reason why a kidnapper would want to do this.  Yet the PJ insinuate that Kate was given some material from an actual case where the kidnapper had drugged the kids.  OK there may have been a precedence for that type of drug use but I'm sure there are plenty of kidnappings where the siblings aren't drugged.

[ShiningInLuz]

Some people seem to be operating under the mistaken belief that every word uttered by the McCanns to every other witness / official / law enforcement was recorded and entered in the files and so if it's not recorded in the files then it's proof they didn't say it.

Some people seem to be operating under the belief that if the McCanns say it happened such-a-way then that is correct, even if there is no record of such.

This is not a trivial point.

Either Kate thought all 3 had been sedated or she did not.  If she thought all 3 had been sedated, she should have sought medical assistance.  If she thought all 3 had been sedated she should have said that in her PJ interview.

It's called EVIDENCE.

Here is just a passing thought.  Has Kate ever mentioned what might have been used for this alleged sedation?  As the person on the scene to discover Madeleine gone, did she smell chloroform?  Did Matthew on his check?  Did Gerry on his?

[ferryman]

Some people seem to be operating under the belief that if the McCanns say it happened such-a-way then that is correct, even if there is no record of such.

This is not a trivial point.

Either Kate thought all 3 had been sedated or she did not.  If she thought all 3 had been sedated, she should have sought medical assistance.  If she thought all 3 had been sedated she should have said that in her PJ interview.

It's called EVIDENCE.

Here is just a passing thought.  Has Kate ever mentioned what might have been used for this alleged sedation?  As the person on the scene to discover Madeleine gone, did she smell chloroform?  Did Matthew on his check?  Did Gerry on his?

Eh?

If Kate thought the twins were at medical risk she should have sought medical assistance, and doubtless would have.

[ShiningInLuz]

Eh?

If Kate thought the twins were at medical risk she should have sought medical assistance, and doubtless would have.

I see you have ignored the fact that information essential to working out what happened to Madeleine does not appear in Kate or Gerry's statements.

Pity for Madeleine.

[Alfie]

Some people seem to be operating under the belief that if the McCanns say it happened such-a-way then that is correct, even if there is no record of such.

This is not a trivial point.

Either Kate thought all 3 had been sedated or she did not.  If she thought all 3 had been sedated, she should have sought medical assistance.  If she thought all 3 had been sedated she should have said that in her PJ interview.

It's called EVIDENCE.
Here is just a passing thought.  Has Kate ever mentioned what might have been used for this alleged sedation?  As the person on the scene to discover Madeleine gone, did she smell chloroform?  Did Matthew on his check?  Did Gerry on hisbe?

Kate says she was concerned that they may have been sedated, not that she thought they definitely had been sedated.  She also says she raised the issue with the PJ.  There is no independent verification of this so you can either choose to take her word for it or accuse her of being a liar. Which is it to be?

[Robittybob1]

I see you have ignored the fact that information essential to working out what happened to Madeleine does not appear in Kate or Gerry's statements.

Pity for Madeleine.

Part of the process of making them arguidos I believe.  The PJ would have been asking the questions through an interpreter and Kate and Gerry answering through an interpreter and what is written down suits the PJ not the witness.
Nothing similar to the English rogatory statements where every "you know" is written down.

[faithlilly]

Some people seem to be operating under the mistaken belief that every word uttered by the McCanns to every other witness / official / law enforcement was recorded and entered in the files and so if it's not recorded in the files then it's proof they didn't say it.

So Gerry, all their tapas friends including FP who was with Kate all night, all the PJ and GNR officers and SB all failed to report Kate expressing to the PJ officer her concerns for the twins? Do you actually believe that?

[Alfie]

So Gerry, all their tapas friends including FP who was with Kate all night, all the PJ and GNR officers and SB all failed to report Kate expressing to the PJ officer her concerns for the twins? Do you actually believe that?

Failed to report to who?  You?

[faithlilly]

Failed to report to who?  You?

In their statements of course.