Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Robittybob1]

I am real
Why would you need an ecg to check a child who was sedated
I have extensive training in sedation and life support so can speak with authority but once again you think you know more than professionals

So what would you have done in your experience?

[Robittybob1]

Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa – Statement, 17 October 2007
He says that in the apartment there were two beds and two cots placed in Madeleine’s room, he does not remember their position. The children never woke up, he is sure, not knowing what position they were in, however he found this situation to be very strange, as a lot of noise was made.

In his earlier statements there is no mention about the twins, but in the later statement Date: 17-10-2007 there is.  So that just goes to show how early on it is possible to have relevant observations missed from statements.
In Da Costa's 07 May statement he says "Inside, the deponent encountered the mother and two siblings of the missing minor;..."  and "And nothing more said, having read the statement, finds it in conformity and signs it;...." a fairly standard sign off.
Yet later he states 17th Oct too late to do tests he states "He says that in the apartment there were two beds and two cots placed in Madeleine's room, he does not remember their position. The children never woke up, he is sure, not knowing what position they were in, however he found this situation to be very strange, as a lot of noise was made".

The http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm statement mentioning the twins is also on the 17 October 2007.
There is no earlier one from Roque but surely he had sooner and more timely debriefs with his management.  So things said in October would have been able to be raised earlier.

[Robittybob1]

Please provide your evidence showing that either of the parents asked any PJ officer at any point to test the twins for sedation. Even Kate McCann has never claimed she asked the GNR or the PJ to do that.

Two FLO's say they mentioned sedation, but not in relation to testing the twins, it was evidence already in the PJ's possession they were interested in.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JIM_McGARVEY.htm

The wording of those two statements are very similar
Markley "My reply to the question was: No.

However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.

One of these questions was that they wanted the PJ to be aware of was Madeleine's revelation about Wednesday night, when she said that she was left alone during the night. She told Kate and Gerry that she remembered the twins crying and that she wanted to know why neither her mother nor her father had gone to the room to see what was happening.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction."

Jim McGarvey"
"My reply to the question: No.

In relation to the above I would like to mention that at approximately 20.00 on the 5th May, I arrived at the McCann apartment with other family communications officers. We were asked several times during this meeting about questions that Gerald and Kate would like to have followed up and responded to by the PJ.

I remember that during the meetings, Kate revealed that Madeleine had spoken with her in the morning of her disappearance and said that she remembered the twins had cried during the night and that she wanted to know why neither her mother or father had appeared. Kate asked herself whether this fact could have any relation with Madeleine’s disappearance.

Gerry and Kate also questioned whether there was any suggestion that pointed to the use of drugs to facilitate Madeleine's abduction."

OK it isn't a cut and paste but is surprisingly similar.  Question is whether the British liaison officers had timely contact with the PJ after the meeting with Kate and Gerry.

[Mr Gray]

So what would you have done in your experience?

Exactly what Kate did

[Robittybob1]

In a letter outlining the steps the PJ took to the British liaison team it is stated "-Meanwhile, investigations were going on in order to collect all kinds of information, always having in view to work out all possible scenarios. Countless investigations were carried out, in order to confirm or invalidate the several clues concerning a possible abduction." 
From http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm#rr20

The fact that no toxicological tests were performed on the twins shows that they missed an important line of enquiry.
All the rogatory questions were issued on/by
"Portimao 12-03-2008
The Public Prosecutor
Dr Jose de Magalhaes e Menezes"

There are several statements from family and friends being asked about drug use not in the file.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/CR2/cr2_75.jpg one whole paragraph is not translated but is placed by *** in the McCann file translations.

[Robittybob1]

I see you have ignored the fact that information essential to working out what happened to Madeleine does not appear in Kate or Gerry's statements.

Pity for Madeleine.

Was Kate given the opportunity to make a statement soon after the 4th?   If they don't take statements from her don't blame us for not being able to show what she was asking for.

[Robittybob1]

So Gerry, all their tapas friends including FP who was with Kate all night, all the PJ and GNR officers and SB all failed to report Kate expressing to the PJ officer her concerns for the twins? Do you actually believe that?

It is hard to believe it wasn't done deliberately by the PJ to have no trace of this in their statements.

[Robittybob1]

Well let's see shall we.  We all know Kate thought the child was kidnapped, is that thought written in her statement?
No sign of the word "kidnapped" or "abducted", even the word "taken" is only used once in another attached document " that a mouth swab be taken ....".
So if those genuine thoughts of Kate aren't included why do we expect the PJ are going to allow the words "drugged" or "sedated"?

Interesting are the two French words "Enfants Kidnapp' 26/08/08" at the end of Kate's statement.

I'll repeat this as it shows how hard it is for the witnesses to introduce ideas into their statements.

[Robittybob1]

Absolutely no one, not even the McCanns, mentioned anyone raising any concerns with the PJ about the twin's unconscious state

No I have not seen this expressed as a concern.

[Robittybob1]

So she brought it up with at least one member of the PJ, whose statement(s) contradict this?

It doesn't back up Kate's claim but it doesn't go as far as contradicting it.

[Robittybob1]

Yet Gerry, none of their friends, no police officers or more importantly SB, who would have to have translated their concerns, mention this shocking lack of duty of care by the PJ. Sounds like another one of those improbable events to me Alfie.

It is not so improbable when you consider the conflict of interest being dealt with by Silvia Batista.  Head of the OC Childcare services and a child gone missing on her watch.
7852.135

[Robittybob1]

Please provide your evidence showing that either of the parents asked any PJ officer at any point to test the twins for sedation. Even Kate McCann has never claimed she asked the GNR or the PJ to do that.

Two FLO's say they mentioned sedation, but not in relation to testing the twins, it was evidence already in the PJ's possession they were interested in.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JIM_McGARVEY.htm

From this report http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm it emphasises the cooperation between the British and Portuguese teams: "Shortly after the beginning of the investigation continuous relationships with the Leicestershire Constabulary, which, for the effect, sent several of its officers to Portugal, with the PJ equally sending officers to the United Kingdom, were established, and intense cooperation and understanding was registered between these entities, which were united in the common purpose of searching for the missing child, and for the truth."
So if it was brought up by the McCanns why was the aspect of possible sedative use  not actively followed up?
I have no real answer to this for it was asked for by the McCanns so whatever the result was it not be considered an embarrassment to them to provide the required blood or hair samples.

[Robittybob1]

It is not so improbable when you consider the conflict of interest being dealt with by Silvia Batista.  Head of the OC Childcare services and a child gone missing on her watch.
7852.135

"It further results from the files that, despite the fact that the 'Ocean Club' resort's crêche offers a complimentary dining out service from 7.30 until 11.30 p.m., at an additional cost, apart from another babysitting service with no defined schedule [22], the members of this group of friends with children chose to do their own checking on the children during dinner. During a first phase, each couple took turns among them to check on their own children, and as the days went by, they started to ask one of the members that got up, to listen whether there was any noise in their apartment, as Jane Tanner mentioned during questioning on the 10th of May 2007 [23], with the exception of the David and Fiona Payne couple, who possessed an intercom system to watch over their children Lilly Payne and Scarlett Payne. "
Does this do it yourself (DIY) child minding an affront to the services provided by the OC?  It is a bit confusing whether it was free or an additional cost.  So it sounds like someone is missing out when it is DIY.

[Robittybob1]

It seems that the investigation has taken the truth of this "It is so much so that Kate herself mentions that on Thursday morning, the 3rd, Madeleine questioned her about the reason why they didn't come to her room, given the fact that the twins had cried [26], as was also mentioned by Gerald."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm
But doesn't concede that the meaning of what Madeleine was saying that someone else had comforted the kids on the Wednesday night.
Or that this was one of two questions specifically proposed by Gerry and Kate via the Liaison group. 

[Robittybob1]

What Have I found the smoking gun? 

"Finally, the fact that, despite all that confusion and all that noise, the twins continued to sleep, as mentioned by GNR Officer José Maria Baptista Roque, a member of the patrol that was first to arrive at the apartment "the children never woke up, remaining in a ventral decubitus position, not moving during the search and afterwards" [28], remains unexplained. Nevertheless, a Team from the Criminal Police Lab, on the 4th of May 2007, eliminated the existence of any product that could have been ministered to the missing child, in order to maintain her in a state of unconsciousness, as well as the presence of blood traces.

What does that mean  - did the police actually do tests, but on who and what are these blood traces being spoken of?  I've never heard of blood traces being found on the 4th.  Not quite the same as taking blood samples from the twin siblings.

Later in the same document it states "The PJ specialist team, which went to the site to collect evidence, excluded the existence of any product that could have been administered to the missing girl in order to maintain her in a state of unconsciousness nor the presence of blood traces.

So basically they didn't find any chemical traces or blood traces, but they still didn't consider whether they thought the twins were doped either.