Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Robittybob1]

Another victory!  I had a feeling there was evidence that Matt and Russell had left the table for some as yet unexplained reason it states in the Summary document :
"At 21.10, given her husband’s absence, Jane Tanner went to check on the state of her daughter. She left by the reception and walked up the road that passes the entrance to the apartment block. She was not seen by Gerald McCann, nor by Jeremy Wilkins, although she did see them. Gerald had his back to her, however Wilkins was facing the place where Tanner passed."

No one has ever noticed that Jane did her check in her husband's absence.  "At 21.10, given her husband’s absence"    What was he doing?

[stephen25000]

So where in the official files from statements by the McCann's,  their associates , or the PJ, does it say...

 Madeleine's siblings  were unresponsive ?

 She believed they may have been drugged?

 She repeatedly checked their breathing?

 She alerted the police to this when they arrived ?

[stephen25000]

A cite is required here...........

' I am real
Why would you need an ecg to check a child who was sedated
I have extensive training in sedation and life support so can speak with authority but once again you think you know more than professionals '
 

[stephen25000]

'Exactly what Kate did'

Well nothing in official statements.

In her book maybe. Not quite the same as reality.

[Robittybob1]

So where in the official files from statements by the McCann's,  their associates , or the PJ, does it say...

 Madeleine's siblings  were unresponsive ?

 She believed they may have been drugged?

 She repeatedly checked their breathing?

 She alerted the police to this when they arrived ?

Haven't you understood that it is not the deponents who write the statements.  The translator was working for the PJ so they would write down what the PJ wanted written down.  So we might see evidence of what really happened in the rogatory statements taken over a year after the event.  But that is not what I was trying to discover in this study.  You can go through the rogatory statements and find what you want to find yourself.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7852.msg371360#msg371360 covers most of what you want.

[G-Unit]

Were they officially unresponsive, or were they just sleeping very deeply?

The first term 'Unresponsive' suggests that tests were done on them to ascertain this.

I am not aware of any tests being done.  Are you ?



Where does the term 'unresponsive' as applied to the twins originate?

In spite of the noise and lights and general pandemonium, they hadn’t stirred. They’d always been sound sleepers, but this seemed unnatural. Scared for them, too, I placed the palms of my hands on their backs to check for chest
movement, basically, for some sign of life. [Madeleine]

The children's mother thought it seemed unnatural that the twins didn't respond to noise, lights and pandemonium. So unnatural that she checked for signs of life. You check for signs of life only if you think someone may have died, so Kate thought it possible that her children were dead in their cots.

She found that they were breathing though, so did nothing further except wonder if they had been sedated. If they had been, the drug was unknown and the dosage was unknown. The fact that the children were breathing at that moment didn't mean they would be breathing when she next checked them.

[Robittybob1]

Were they officially unresponsive, or were they just sleeping very deeply?

The first term 'Unresponsive' suggests that tests were done on them to ascertain this.

I am not aware of any tests being done.  Are you ?



Where does the term 'unresponsive' as applied to the twins originate?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7852.msg372711#msg372711 the words quoted there could imply some testing or was it just searching for pills?

[Robittybob1]

In spite of the noise and lights and general pandemonium, they hadn’t stirred. They’d always been sound sleepers, but this seemed unnatural. Scared for them, too, I placed the palms of my hands on their backs to check for chest
movement, basically, for some sign of life. [Madeleine]

The children's mother thought it seemed unnatural that the twins didn't respond to noise, lights and pandemonium. So unnatural that she checked for signs of life. You check for signs of life only if you think someone may have died, so Kate thought it possible that her children were dead in their cots.

She found that they were breathing though, so did nothing further except wonder if they had been sedated. If they had been, the drug was unknown and the dosage was unknown. The fact that the children were breathing at that moment didn't mean they would be breathing when she next checked them.

What drugs would hit harder an hour later?

[stephen25000]

Haven't you understood that it is not the deponents who write the statements.  The translator was working for the PJ so they would write down what the PJ wanted written down.  So we might see evidence of what really happened in the rogatory statements taken over a year after the event.  But that is not what I was trying to discover in this study.  You can go through the rogatory statements and find what you want to find yourself.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7852.msg371360#msg371360 covers most of what you want.

She made no such claim in her statements and neither did anyone else.

What they did a year later is irrelevant.

[stephen25000]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7852.msg372711#msg372711 the words quoted there could imply some testing or was it just searching for pills?

Testing ?

In what way ?

[Robittybob1]

Testing ?

In what way ?

What does "The PJ specialist team, which went to the site to collect evidence, excluded the existence of any product that could have been administered to the missing girl in order to maintain her in a state of unconsciousness nor the presence of blood traces."

Did they swab surfaces or something?  How did they exclude "the existence of any product that could have been administered to the missing girl in order to maintain her in a state of unconsciousness"?

Surely that means testing doesn't it, or was it just looking for an empty pill bottle, or what? (Could also be spills, powders, liquids in bottles, sachets.)  But the nil presence of these items does not exclude "the existence of any product that could have been administered to the missing girl in order to maintain her in a state of unconsciousness"?
But they could still say "yes it does for none of the substance still existed in the apartment".

Testing ? In what way?  Answer: Ask the PJ!

[slartibartfast]

She made no such claim in her statements and neither did anyone else.

What they did a year later is irrelevant.

Maybe someone on here knows what level of discussion took place in the internet between the disappearance and the book about the twins deep sleep?

[Robittybob1]

She made no such claim in her statements and neither did anyone else.

What they did a year later is irrelevant.

The rogatory statements aren't irrelevant. 

[stephen25000]

The rogatory statements aren't irrelevant.

Done later.


After the event by some time.


Easy to add things.

[Robittybob1]

Done later.


After the event by some time.


Easy to add things.

and easy to make mistakes because every word uttered is recorded.