Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[misty]

Obviously without "complicated machines" her experience and judgement are all but useless in such situations!

Totally!
My old dentist said he used to smack my face to make sure I was still breathing when under IV sedation. I was only ever hooked up to the blood oxygen finger monitor.

[faithlilly]

This is a popular argument - "nowhere does it say", as if every single thought and deed that night was recorded for posterity for us to scrutinize at a later date.  There were many hours that night, between Madeleine being found missing and daylight the next day when the twins presumably awoke as normal.  None of us knows precisely what Kate did or did not do with regard to monitoring or checking the twins' health.  It's possible she tried to rouse them, it's possible they did awaken briefly when being moved or cuddled.  We haven't been given detailed minute-by-minute accounts regarding the twins' apparent unconsciousness.  I am prepared to give Kate the benefit of the doubt, that whilst she was concerned enough initially to check their breathing by laying a hand on their backs (and let's face it - what parent hasn't done similar with a child that has slept well past the time it normally awakens), that monitoring their breathing and temperature throughout the rest of the night, by holding them close, was sufficient to reassure her that the twins were not in imminent danger of death.  Clearly that is not suffcient checking to pass your due diligence standards but that is your problem.

And it is your prerogative to believe whatever you like no matter what the evidence shows. That however doesn't make it so.

[faithlilly]

How to measure blood pressure without "complicated machines"
http://bpmonitoradvisor.com/how-to-check-blood-pressure-without-equipment/
How to take a pulse without "complicated machines"
"Measure your heart rate by placing two fingers gently against your wrist (don't use your thumb). If it is hard to feel the pulse in your wrist, find the artery in your neck that is just to either side of the windpipe. Press gently. Count the beats for 15 seconds."
How to check temperature without "complicated machines"

http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Fever-Without-a-Thermometer

How to check respiratory rate without "complicated machines"
http://healthcaresciencesocw.wayne.edu/vs/5_2.htm

Did Kate mention even taking the twin's pulse ?

[Alfie]

And it is your prerogative to believe whatever you like no matter what the evidence shows. That however doesn't make it so.

The evidence shows us that Kate was concerned that the twins may have been sedated and together with Fiona Payne kept a close eye on them both throughout the night.  For this you have decided she is some sort of monster.  Nice.

[Alfie]

Did Kate mention even taking the twin's pulse ?

Oh hello!  It's the old  "nowhere does it say" argument.  If she didn't mention it in a statement then of course it never happened.  Right?

[ferryman]

Did Kate mention even taking the twins  pulse ?

If Kate didn't mention it, we must take it as read she didn't do it!

After all, Kate's book was intended as a deeply learned medical tome  ....

(And Alfie beats me to the punch yet again) ....

[slartibartfast]

What do you mean by "level of discussion"?  How do we measure the level?  How do you expect anyone to answer this question with any "level" of accuracy?  What is the point of this question anyway?

It was a simple question which for some reason you don't wish to answer.

[faithlilly]

The evidence shows us that Kate was concerned that the twins may have been sedated and together with Fiona Payne kept a close eye on them both throughout the night.  For this you have decided she is some sort of monster.  Nice.

Kept a close eye on them? For much of the night Kate and Gerry or Kate and Fiona were in the couple's bedroom while the twins were in the living room.

Further the evidence does show us Kate was concerned about the twins however what the evidence does not show us is that she actually did anything about that concern.

[Alice Purjorick]

My analysis is that mountains are once again being made out of molehills for the sole purpose of denigrating Kate McCann.  Plus ca change and all that...

Oh indeed, indeed!.
There remain questions that are unanswered satisfactorily. Without all the sidelining and body swerving haraz that appears to be self perpetuating.

[faithlilly]

Oh hello!  It's the old  "nowhere does it say" argument.  If she didn't mention it in a statement then of course it never happened.  Right?

And you don't think she'd have mentioned it in her book, as would have FP, who did record Kate's actions, if it actually happened?

[sadie]

To check the rate of breathing breaths need to be timed, because sedatives slow the breathing and heart rates and lower blood pressure. The only test reported is checking for breathing, not the rate of breathing. The heart rate and blood pressure weren't checked either. All three could have slowed between checks leading to unconsciousness. All Kate knew was that they were breathing, which could have slowed or even stopped at any moment if a sedative had been administered.

Are you claiming that Kate didn't have a watch, then ?

If she checked their breathing she would have checked the rate too.  Part of checking the breathing is checking the rate.  Do you think Kate is an idiot or something ?

[G-Unit]

How to measure blood pressure without "complicated machines"
http://bpmonitoradvisor.com/how-to-check-blood-pressure-without-equipment/
How to take a pulse without "complicated machines"
"Measure your heart rate by placing two fingers gently against your wrist (don't use your thumb). If it is hard to feel the pulse in your wrist, find the artery in your neck that is just to either side of the windpipe. Press gently. Count the beats for 15 seconds."
How to check temperature without "complicated machines"

http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Fever-Without-a-Thermometer

How to check respiratory rate without "complicated machines"
http://healthcaresciencesocw.wayne.edu/vs/5_2.htm

Very interesting, but there's no evidence that any of it was done by any of the highly qualified doctors present.

[Alfie]

It was a simple question which for some reason you don't wish to answer.

I have no problem with answering it, I just don't understand what your asking.  OK - here's an answer.  The level was 6.5. 

[stephen25000]

Are you claiming that Kate didn't have a watch, then ?

If she checked their breathing she would have checked the rate too.  Part of checking the breathing is checking the rate.  Do you think Kate is an idiot or something ?

Perhaps it would a good idea Sadie if you read up on the appropriate procedure in such circumstances.

[Alfie]

Kept a close eye on them? For much of the night Kate and Gerry or Kate and Fiona were in the couple's bedroom while the twins were in the living room.

Further the evidence does show us Kate was concerned about the twins however what the evidence does not show us is that she actually did anything about that concern.

Therefore the woman is a monster prepared to let her children die.  Is that the conclusion we must draw from your repeated harping on the issue?