Author Topic: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.  (Read 249963 times)

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Offline sadie

That is not the point I was asking about.  We did that to death on the Calpol thread.

I am asking when this story (McCanns mentioning Calpol) first surfaced.  Start.  End.

Why go on about it, at all?  It is NOT a sedative.

It just plants seeds of doubt in peoples minds, doesn't it ?

Is that what you want ?

Offline misty

It's strange - why is the blame/responsibility for checking out the twins solely heaped on Kate? Was there no father at the scene?

Offline G-Unit

You don't believe that happened though do you?

No, it doesn't make sense that anything could be given to sleeping children.
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Offline jassi

It's strange - why is the blame/responsibility for checking out the twins solely heaped on Kate? Was there no father at the scene?

It would appear not. He was out and about, checking shutters and other such things.
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Offline Robittybob1

No, it doesn't make sense that anything could be given to sleeping children.
Other than via drink bottles with nipples.  Children will suckle nipples even while asleep.
Chloroform via a cloth could have been given to Madeleine.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2017, 07:36:04 PM by Robittybob1 »
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Offline slartibartfast

Slartibart wanted to know about the level of internet interest in the sedation issue.  I have no idea if this answers the question, but it comes from a Guardian article from 2007 which is still online and which has not been sued for libel so PLEASE DO NOT DELETE - THE ARTICLE IS NOT LIBELLOUS WHEN THE EXCERPT BELOW IS READ IN CONTEXT!!!!

 "The McCanns had sedated their children so that they could have an undisturbed dinner with friends (hence the failure of the two younger McCann children to awake even during the loud chaos of the night of May 3). They returned to find Madeleine dead. Fearing their twins would be taken from them if they confessed the truth, they hid Madeleine's body, then hid it again in the spare wheel compartment of their rented car until finally burying it somewhere else"  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/sep/12/comment.ukcrime

More interested in the online fora and discussion groups around at the time.
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Offline Robittybob1

More interested in the online fora and discussion groups around at the time.
Were you going to research that aspect?  Sounds quite a mission.
madeleine + mccann + calpol only 4,080 results to look through.
https://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/03/calpol-and-nurofen-on-the-mccann-holiday/
"Carana replies:
Hmmm.
The issue of whether Madeleine could have been sedated so as to facilitate an abduction was one of the first questions the parents asked the UK liaison officers (as soon as they arrived on 5 May) to follow up with the PJ.

In view of the fact that the twins didn’t wake up despite the noise, it would have made sense for the PJ to test the twins for common sedatives or chloroform, sleeping gas, etc., way back then, wouldn’t it?"
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Offline slartibartfast

Were you going to research that aspect?  Sounds quite a mission.
madeleine + mccann + calpol only 4,080 results to look through.

I was hoping those around at the time may be able to give an indication somewhere between none and loads of discussion.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Why go on about it, at all?  It is NOT a sedative.

It just plants seeds of doubt in peoples minds, doesn't it ?

Is that what you want ?
You are going on about a point or question that I did not raise.

Establishing the source of this development happens to be important in establishing some clear idea of the truth.  Slarti is interested in when it hit the forums and how major a topic it was.

It is clear from Alfie's Guardian link that the sedative idea was rattling around as early as mid-Sep 2007, so no doubt by then the Internet would have been abuzz with the misinformation the article contains.

I note also from Alfie's link that a split into the for and against camp had developed, and that the split seemed deeply entrenched by that time.

I remain interested in when the issue of Calpol hit the public domain, and how it became public.  It is difficult to see it preceding the sedative issue, but not impossible.  One route would be the 'unresponsive twins' idea became public, followed by the McCanns saying they only ever gave Madeleine Calpol.  But until the source is identified, this part is speculation.  Hence some evidence would clarify the events.
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Offline Robittybob1

What Kate's Father Said - Primary Source
The McCanns did not denying ever giving their children Calpol and in fact they told the police that they had purchased Calpol to take on vacation with them.
 
In a TV interview, Kate's father, Brian Healy, spoke about Calpol.  Segment starts at 0.42:-
Quote: http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077700/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2013#WhatKatesFatherSaidPrimarySource
Reporter - Is it possible that Kate with her medical background, might have, wanted to help Madeleine to go to sleep that night?
Brian Healy  - Not at all.
Reporter - Even out of kindness, she certainly wouldn't have given her...
Brian Healy  - Not even out of kindness, I think they may have used Calpol like most mothers...nothing...it's just outrageous to even think about it. First and foremost was their kids.  They wouldn't have done that.
 
Mr Healy was not on vacation with the McCanns, but even still, in no way does this contradict the McCann's claims. "
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Alfie

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No, it doesn't make sense that anything could be given to sleeping children.
So how do you account for the apparent state of unconsciousness of the twins then?

Offline Robittybob1

So how do you account for the apparent state of unconsciousness of the twins then?
The implication is the drugs were given to the kids prior to them going off to sleep.
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Alfie

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More interested in the online fora and discussion groups around at the time.
the online fora and discussion groups were one of the main sources for the speculation as described in the article.  It was certainly being discussed most feverishly back then but I'm still not sure how you would expect anyone to quantify the level of interest.
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Alfie

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The implication is the drugs were given to the kids prior to them going off to sleep.
well yes but I wanted to see G-Unit answer this for herself.

Offline G-Unit

So how do you account for the apparent state of unconsciousness of the twins then?

What state of unconsciousness? Some people think they'd had a busy day and were sleeping naturally. Their mother said it was unnatural, but has never offered an opinion as to how a sedative could have been administered.
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