Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Alice Purjorick]

What?  Your post makes no sense.  [color=maroon]You accused me of a "volte face"[/color] - now put up the evidence of this volte face or admit you were mistaken.

That is correct
The evidence is on this thread
I wasn't mistaken
Your attempts at bossiness/aggression are not in the least impressive tending to be rather ineffectual.

[G-Unit]

Just because it isn't recorded in the files that we have access to doesn't mean it didn't happen.  There must have been hundreds of conversations going on between various people during that time that have not been mentioned in the summaries.     

We do know that on the 5th May the FLO's were asked to make enquiries to the PJ on the McCanns behalf re the possibility of drug use.    I doubt if the FLO would make that claim if they didn't carry it through.    What we don't know is whether they got a reply or not.   If the PJ did not reply - would they want that fact to enter the public domain?   Is there a statement somewhere that was not released.  Who knows

What we do know is that we only have access to SOME of the overall information known to OG and the Oporto team - and we have no idea what has been held back or why - which is why I think it's a mistake to keep coming to conclusions as if we do have ALL the information - when we clearly don't.

It may be that many of the 'debates' we have on here are subjects which SY and the Oporto team do not have to query or investigate - because they already have the answers in the files that we don't have access to.


AIMHO

Just because something was written in a book years after the event doesn't mean it did happen, either. Particularly when the witnesses who were being addressed seem not to have heard it.

The FLOs were asked a specific question which was if the PJ had any evidence that Madeleine had been drugged. Whether that question was asked or not, or answered or not doesn't matter because we know the answer was no.

Some files were withheld by the Portuguese and we have been told what they are, there's a list;

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

Since then the PI's, OG and the PJ have taken other statements and carried out other investigations, but they are unlikely to contain new information about a conversation between the GNR officers and Kate McCann on the night of 3rd May. The GNR officers and Silvia Batista didn't report the conversation in their statements to the PJ, so it's unlikely they remembered it later.

[Robittybob1]

I would tend to go with the claims that have been written.

[Alfie]

That is correct
The evidence is on this thread
I wasn't mistaken
Your attempts at bossiness/aggression are not in the least impressive tending to be rather ineffectual.

There is no evdence of any volte face by me on this thread so would you kindly stop saying so, it's mischevious and insulting to me, many thanks.

[faithlilly]

There is no evdence of any volte face by me on this thread so would you kindly stop saying so, it's mischevious and insulting to me, many thanks.

Admit it Alfie your volte face was quicker the George Osborne's on tax credits 

[Alfie]

volte-face.


1.an act of turning round so as to face in the opposite direction.


2.an abrupt and complete reversal of attitude, opinion, or position:


Perhaps one of you geniuses can point out anything I have written on this thread since this post which constitutes a "volte face" from this opinion?

In my opinion (conjecture here, remember I am not the McCanns so this could be completely wrong, and don't start ascribing my thoughts to them) the McCanns may have thought that their children had been gassed as stories of holiday makers being gassed and robbed on the continent have been doing the rounds for many years.  Before you all jump down my throat I know these stories are considered by many to be a load of hogwash but it still doesn't take away from the fact that such occurrences have been widely reported in the media.  So it is possible that this was a thought going through Kate's panicked mind at the time.  Personally I think it's an unlikely scenario, and I also think it's unlikely the children were sedated.

Failure to do so will prove that you are both taking the piss.

[faithlilly]

So you didn't say Kate may have thought the twins may have been gassed ?

[Alfie]

So you didn't say Kate may have thought the twins may have been gassed ?

FFS.  YES I DID!!!!!  Now find the post where I said she may not have thought this. 

Jesus wept.

[Alfie]

Serious question - are Faithlilly and Alice under the impression that I am Kate McCann?  It's the only explanation for this bizarre accusation of a "volte face" that I can come up with.

[faithlilly]

FFS.  YES I DID!!!!!  Now find the post where I said she may not have thought this. 

Jesus wept.

So you did say Kate may have thought the twins may have been gassed. Glad we got that sorted out.

Now can you tell me why not getting help if she thought they had been gassed is any less negligent than not getting help if they had been sedated by any other method?

BTW Alfie what in heavens name makes you think Kate thought the twins may have been gassed in the first place? Aerie there pointers to your theory?

[Alfie]

So you did say Kate may have thought the twins may have been gassed. Glad we got that sorted out.

Now can you tell me why not getting help if she thought they had been gassed is any less negligent than not getting help if they had been sedated by any other method?

As I have never stated it is any more or any less negligent I fail to understand why you keep on and on asking me this question.  My post about the gas was nothing to do with Kate's alleged negligence in any way shape or form (we had already done that aspect of the discussion to death),  but an attempt to move the discussion on to why she might have been under the impression that the children had been sedated in the first place, ie: because of media reports of alleged gassings and robberies on the continent.   If you can't understand this and cannot see that this is not me having a complete 180 degree change of opinion then really there is no hope for us being able to communicate like adults. 

[Alfie]

So you did say Kate may have thought the twins may have been gassed. Glad we got that sorted out.

Now can you tell me why not getting help if she thought they had been gassed is any less negligent than not getting help if they had been sedated by any other method?

BTW Alfie what in heavens name makes you think Kate thought the twins may have been gassed in the first place? Aerie there pointers to your theory?

from my post that you are having such great difficulty reading and understanding:
"In my opinion (conjecture here, remember I am not the McCanns so this could be completely wrong, and don't start ascribing my thoughts to them)..."

[faithlilly]

As I have never stated it is any more or any less negligent I fail to understand why you keep on and on asking me this question.  My post about the gas was nothing to do with Kate's alleged negligence in any way shape or form (we had already done that aspect of the discussion to death),  but an attempt to move the discussion on to why she might have been under the impression that the children had been sedated in the first place, ie: because of media reports of alleged gassings and robberies on the continent.   If you can't understand this and cannot see that this is not me having a complete 180 degree change of opinion then really there is no hope for us being able to communicate like adults.

So the gassing theory was simply plucked out of the air?

[Alfie]

So the gassing theory was simply plucked out of the air?

It wasn't a theory - I was giving an opinion on why a mother, on holiday on the continent on finding one child missing and the others seemingly in an unnaturally deep sleep, might jump to the conclusion that her kids had been sedated.  That reason being - media stories in the press (of which there have been dozens over the years) of holidaymakers being gassed and robbed.  If you re-read my post you will see that that is exactly what I wrote and there has been no change of view or "volte face".  Thank you.

[faithlilly]

It wasn't a theory - I was giving an opinion on why a mother, on holiday on the continent on finding one child missing and the others seemingly in an unnaturally deep sleep, might jump to the conclusion that her kids had been sedated.  That reason being - media stories in the press (of which there have been dozens over the years) of holidaymakers being gassed and robbed.  If you re-read my post you will see that that is exactly what I wrote and there has been no change of view or "volte face".  Thank you.

So why in Madeleine, her police interviews and the numerous media interviews she has given since the disappearance has Kate never claimed she thought the twins may have been gassed?