Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[ferryman]

Well why produce his ideas as some sort of evidence of accusations from members on this forum?

Because members of this board level that accusation.

[slartibartfast]

Because members of this level that accusation.

Cite?

[Mr Gray]

Please read the PJ Files on what the Lisbon team did on 4 May 2007.

They found no evidence of anaesthetics.

They did not have to hand the behaviour of the twins overnight, or an alleged crying incident.  I cannot see why they would have found any differently if they had known of either.  Kate did not report any trace of anaesthetic around the time of her alarm, and we are to believe she was first on the scene.  Unless Matthew Oldfield not only failed on a visual check, but also on a sense of smell, and he was the first.

I have not seen any mention of anaesthetics
Could you elucidate or are you just confused

[Alfie]

Anything is possible but as not one eye witness claims that the twins woke at anytime I think it's perfectly logical to conclude that they didn't.

I think that's faulty logic. 

[ShiningInLuz]

I have not seen any mention of anaesthetics
Could you elucidate

Title of thread.

Long discussion re 'gassed'.

PJ Lisbon test on 4 May 2007.

Twins unresponsive.

Doctors train in anaesthetics.

Other than that, no.

[Mr Gray]

Of course we don't know what happened when Kate put her hand on the twins back
Did they stir
We don't know

[ferryman]

Cite?

Do you not read this board?

[faithlilly]

I think that's faulty logic.

We are all entitled to our own opinion.

[Mr Gray]

Title of thread.

Long discussion re 'gassed'.

PJ Lisbon test on 4 May 2007.

Twins unresponsive.

Doctors train in anaesthetics.

Other than that, no.

You claimed the Lisbon test was for anaesthetics
It wasn't was it
That's why you couldn't provide the cite
Do you have a cite for the twins being unresponsive
The thread is about sedatives
No one has raised the question of anaesthetics

[Mr Gray]

The Lisbon forensic team tested whether anaesthetic had been used on the victim, aka Madeleine.

No they didn't
The claim is quite bizarre
How could they test if they didn't have maddie

[ShiningInLuz]

You claimed the Lisbon test was for anaesthetics
It wasn't was it
That's why you couldn't provide the cite
Do you have a cite for the twins being unresponsive
The thread is about sedatives
No one has raised the question of anaesthetics

If you have a problem with drugged v gassed v anaesthetics, then it is your problem.

Either read the 4 May 2007 report or don't.  That is not my problem.

If you want to quibble over what unresponsive means in English, go for it.  If, of course, that is the best you can do.

Drugged.  Gassed.  Anaesthetics. Unresponsive.  65 pages and on-going.  By the way, the thread title is DRUGGED not SEDATIVES.

[Mr Gray]

If you have a problem with drugged v gassed v anaesthetics, then it is your problem.

Either read the 4 May 2007 report or don't.  That is not my problem.

If you want to quibble over what unresponsive means in English, go for it.  If, of course, that is the best you can do.

Drugged.  Gassed.  Anaesthetics. Unresponsive.  65 pages and on-going.  By the way, the thread title is DRUGGED not SEDATIVES.

You still haven't provided a link to this test for anaesthetics
I would say you can't
Unresponsive here is being used in its medical sense and there is no quibbling about its meaning
The question boa were the twins sedated not anaethetised

[G-Unit]

Please don't be silly ... of course I was not there.  However you have made your post on page sixty seven of a discussion concerning Madeleine's siblings and their deep sleep.  I think it would be safe to conclude that two anaesthetists between them reached their own conclusions.

However the responsibility for that should not have been theirs ... the police investigators failed in their responsibility to cover all the bases particularly the independent medical welfare of the children.

Kate McCann says she feared her children had been sedated because their sleep seemed 'unnatural'. She checked for signs of life. Months later she's saying she believed 'the kidnapper' had drugged them. She says she told the GNR officers of her fears, but no-one mentions her doing that.

When the PJ arrived their first concern was to clear the apartment of people to preserve the scene. It was the ideal opportunity to tell them of her fears, but she didn't. How anyone expects them to have known without being told escapes me. I don't think it's usual for any police force to start testing infants for sedation unless there's some reason to suspect they have been drugged.

If anyone can explain why the PJ should have suspected to find drugged children I would be interested to hear it.

[Mr Gray]

Patients who are sedated are responsive

[stephen25000]

Cite your evidence to support that statement.