Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[Alice Purjorick]

Maybe there is a totally innocent explanation for all this?
Two documents exist one in Portuguese one in English both on PJ headed paper both in the PJ files(?).
The English version was sent to UK for execution. The translation of :
"Em algum momento Gerald Mccann referiu a possiblidade das criancas teremsido sedadas tendo mesmo sugerido que fossem efectuados exams toxicologicos aos irmaos gemeos de madeleine ?" is :
"At some point Gerald Mccann mentioned the possibility of the children having been sedated and even suggested that toxicological tests be performed on the twin brothers of madeleine ?"

The existence of the question mark indicates it is not a statement but it is oddly phrased as a question.
A UK officer appends a FLYN to clarify what should be covered during the questioning. ie the FLYN is an addendum not a substitution.

[Robittybob1]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/CR2/cr2_120.jpg

Google McCannpjfiles
Go to Original DVD images.
Go to Carta Rogatoria File 2.

Thanks - I'm getting there.
So under which heading on this page http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm do you think it would fall?  I have never accessed files the method you use.
So what is the number? Is it 120?  no it is 45!  found it, but where is the English translation of that file?

[misty]

Thanks - I'm getting there.
So under which heading on this page http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm do you think it would fall?  I have never accessed files the method you use.
So what is the number? Is it 120?  no it is 45!  found it, but where is the English translation of that file?

Page cr120 is supposed to be the English translation of pages 44 & 45 in the same file.

[Robittybob1]

Page cr120 is supposed to be the English translation of pages 44 & 45 in the same file.

OK  Maybe not a true translation but the source, for the questions had to be agreed upon.  Well that is how I conceptualize it ATM.
The Portuguese ask a question relating to sedation and it get watered down to the question on the note.
"* Was there anything said or done by KATE or GERALD McCANN in your presence or during any contact with them that raised any suspicion that they had any knowledge of what had happened to MADELEINE other than that of the circumstances described to this Portuguese Investigation ?)"
Page 120 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm#rr20

[G-Unit]

OK  Maybe not a true translation but the source, for the questions had to be agreed upon.  Well that is how I conceptualize it ATM.
The Portuguese ask a question relating to sedation and it get watered down to the question on the note.
"* Was there anything said or done by KATE or GERALD McCANN in your presence or during any contact with them that raised any suspicion that they had any knowledge of what had happened to MADELEINE other than that of the circumstances described to this Portuguese Investigation ?)"
Page 120 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm#rr20

The answers to the original questions would have allowed the Portuguese to discover exactly what was said to the liaison officers by the McCanns.

The answers to the replacement question allowed the Portuguese to find out what was said only if the liaison officers thought it was suspicious.

In the UK part of these officer's job is to gather information for the investigation. I expect they use their judgement about what to pass on, though. If Kate and Gerry were calling for the twins to be tested the officers may have seen this as an over-reaction by two worried parents and not passed it on. At the time they had no way of knowing what a huge issue it would become, of course. .

The replacement question allowed them to say 'No' even if the McCann's did ask for the twins to be tested, because in their opinion it wasn't suspicious for them to do so.

The two officers who said 'No' to the replacement question, then added something, may have been speaking in hindsight. i.e. they didn't find what the McCanns said suspicious at the time, but may have wondered about it subsequently.

[Robittybob1]

mmm!  I have actually run out of ideas. 

[G-Unit]

mmm!  I have actually run out of ideas.

That's a first, I think.

[Robittybob1]

That's a first, I think.

Often one topic will lead to another but I've had a series of dead ends so I'm left without a topic.
This thread has been a surprise though, how I thought it would be just a short one, but still might end up 100 pages long.
It has uncovered the only document written in Portuguese that isn't translated into English and on that document are questions related to requests for toxicological tests and questions about  sedatives.  [I don't know if it is the only document that has missed being translated but is the only one I know of so far.] 
It then is followed up with another document that is photographed with a stick-it note over the top of questions thought to be about the use of sedatives from the context of the remaining words.
If there is any true evidence of a cover-up in this case that is it.

[G-Unit]

Seek and you will find. It seems the questions for the liaison officers were officially changed at the request of  Stuart Prior of Leicestershire Police;

The public Prosecutor of the Portimao jurisdiction in Portugal, requests to the competent judicial authorities in the United Kingsom in complement with the Letter of Request despatched under official 3704438 dated of the 23/01/2008 to omit and replace the questions formulated under point XIV (only in replacement of part (N| 7) where it inquired "Can you point out any incident with Kate or Gerald McCann?", XVI and XXII with the new wording, due to formal imperatives and main request of the responsible for the accomplishment of the Letters of Request, Mr Stuart Prior, which the translation refers to.

Point XIV - remove the question n| 7, replacing it by the following: "Was there anything said or done by Kate or Gerald McCann in your presence or during any contact with them that raised any suspicion that they had any knowledge of what happened to Madeleine, other than of the circumstances described to the Portuguese investigators?"
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm#4401

[sadie]

BUMPED.

Often one topic will lead to another but I've had a series of dead ends so I'm left without a topic.
This thread has been a surprise though, how I thought it would be just a short one, but still might end up 100 pages long.
It has uncovered the only document written in Portuguese that isn't translated into English and on that document are questions related to requests for toxicological tests and questions about  sedatives.  [I don't know if it is the only document that has missed being translated but is the only one I know of so far.] 
It then is followed up with another document that is photographed with a stick-it note over the top of questions thought to be about the use of sedatives from the context of the remaining words.
If there is any true evidence of a cover-up in this case that is it.

Mmm, good points Rob   £5%4%  Now who would be responsible for these omissions ?

Food for thought.

[jassi]

Seek and you will find. It seems the questions for the liaison officers were officially changed at the request of  Stuart Prior of Leicestershire Police;

The public Prosecutor of the Portimao jurisdiction in Portugal, requests to the competent judicial authorities in the United Kingsom in complement with the Letter of Request despatched under official 3704438 dated of the 23/01/2008 to omit and replace the questions formulated under point XIV (only in replacement of part (N| 7) where it inquired "Can you point out any incident with Kate or Gerald McCann?", XVI and XXII with the new wording, due to formal imperatives and main request of the responsible for the accomplishment of the Letters of Request, Mr Stuart Prior, which the translation refers to.

Point XIV - remove the question n| 7, replacing it by the following: "Was there anything said or done by Kate or Gerald McCann in your presence or during any contact with them that raised any suspicion that they had any knowledge of what happened to Madeleine, other than of the circumstances described to the Portuguese investigators?"
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm#4401

I'm very impressed by the diligence that is applied to searching through the files.   

[G-Unit]

I'm very impressed by the diligence that is applied to searching through the files.   

The problem was to find it because it wasn't easy, the content wasn't hinted at in the title of the document. It had to be there somewhere though because Letters of Request have to be officially changed via the Home Office. I wanted to know who changed it; well the Public Prosecutor did, but at the request of Stuart Prior. It seems he didn't want to ask the liaison officers the original questions, but why.......?

[jassi]

Perhaps he knew what the answer might be and didn't want it in the record.

[Alfie]

Perhaps he knew what the answer might be and didn't want it in the record.

Oh no Stuart's in on it too!!!

[G-Unit]

Oh no Stuart's in on it too!!!

In on what, Alfie?