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Offline faithlilly

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1410 on: January 16, 2017, 11:37:57 PM »
According to Amaral the twins did wake up that night - from his book:

– The twins only woke up when they were being transferred to the other apartment. They sleep deeply, those English children…

So if he is to be believed (and why would he lie?) then this would probably explain why Kate McCann did not feel the need to rush her children to hospital.  They woke up and so were not unresponsive.

He also wrote that calpol was a sedative, Tanner identified Murat and Prior was heard to say that in the UK the McCanns would be arrested on less evidence. So where does that leave us?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline sadie

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1411 on: January 17, 2017, 12:22:30 AM »
He also wrote that calpol was a sedative, Tanner identified Murat and Prior was heard to say that in the UK the McCanns would be arrested on less evidence. So where does that leave us?
If Prior said that ...
.... did he understand that the so called 'dog alerts' were not alerts to cadaver odour at all. 

Did Amaral not understand and erroniously / incorrectly feed him info that the dogs had alerted to cadaver odour ... so a dead body in the appartment?

If that incorrect info was passed to Prior, no wonder he expressed that opinion

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1412 on: January 17, 2017, 07:14:32 AM »
If Prior said that ...
.... did he understand that the so called 'dog alerts' were not alerts to cadaver odour at all. 

Did Amaral not understand and erroneously / incorrectly feed him info that the dogs had alerted to cadaver odour ... so a dead body in the apartment?

If that incorrect info was passed to Prior, no wonder he expressed that opinion
Why don't you admit; it we struggle to explain the cadaver dog alert.  There was the alert in the bedroom and another in the garden area.  A scenario that covers both spots is a body being removed from the apartment and tossed over the balustrade into the garden.  You can't give that cadaver a name or a reason for its demise.

You can't just say "did he understand that the so called 'dog alerts' were not alerts to cadaver odour at all". 
Do cadaver dogs ever produce a genuine alert to a cadaver?  I presume you will say "yes". So how can you tell them apart?  How do you separate the genuine ones from the false positives?
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Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1413 on: January 17, 2017, 08:11:46 AM »
He also wrote that calpol was a sedative, Tanner identified Murat and Prior was heard to say that in the UK the McCanns would be arrested on less evidence. So where does that leave us?
Amaral's agenda was to portray the McCanns as child sedaters so it suited his agenda to say that Calpol was a sedative.  It would have fitted his agenda better to say that the twins were completely unresponsive that night but he didn't.  Therefore we have no reason to believe he is lying about this issue.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1414 on: January 17, 2017, 08:18:57 AM »
Amaral's agenda was to portray the McCanns as child sedaters so it suited his agenda to say that Calpol was a sedative.  It would have fitted his agenda better to say that the twins were completely unresponsive that night but he didn't.  Therefore we have no reason to believe he is lying about this issue.
You are a very deep thinker Alfie.  I read your answer a couple of times but I couldn't get it.  So I'll revert to humour,  you can know he was lying for you can see his lips moving.
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Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1415 on: January 17, 2017, 08:57:59 AM »
Why would Amaral say the kids woke up that night if they didn't?  Someone (one of his mates in the GNR / PJ) must have told him so as he wasn't there, or did he simply invent this detail - if so, to what end? 

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1416 on: January 17, 2017, 09:42:28 AM »
Why would Amaral say the kids woke up that night if they didn't?  Someone (one of his mates in the GNR / PJ) must have told him so as he wasn't there, or did he simply invent this detail - if so, to what end?
It would be a matter of knowing when did they wake up.
 If they woke up at 3:00 AM when they were taken to their new apartment, taken outside in the cold night air, that usually wakes up a child.  Any effects of the drugs given could have worn off by then.  The remarkable thing was that the kids slept through the noise earlier on when Kate was screaming and banging her head.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1417 on: January 17, 2017, 10:53:29 AM »
Amaral's agenda was to portray the McCanns as child sedaters so it suited his agenda to say that Calpol was a sedative.  It would have fitted his agenda better to say that the twins were completely unresponsive that night but he didn't.  Therefore we have no reason to believe he is lying about this issue.

Yet still in the first few minutes and hours when Kate thought her remaining children may have been sedated by an unknown drug and while she had the training to know it was imperative for her children's wellbeing that they found out what that drug was she did nothing. Odd doesn't seem an adequate enough description.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1418 on: January 17, 2017, 10:58:04 AM »
Why don't you admit; it we struggle to explain the cadaver dog alert.  There was the alert in the bedroom and another in the garden area.  A scenario that covers both spots is a body being removed from the apartment and tossed over the balustrade into the garden.  You can't give that cadaver a name or a reason for its demise.

You can't just say "did he understand that the so called 'dog alerts' were not alerts to cadaver odour at all". 
Do cadaver dogs ever produce a genuine alert to a cadaver?  I presume you will say "yes". So how can you tell them apart?  How do you separate the genuine ones from the false positives?

It's impossible to show that Eddie gave false alerts in 5A, Rob. Even so, hours are spent spent attempting to discredit his handler, to suggest that the dog was alerting to something else, to suggest that some other body or associated items had been there and, finally, to say the alerts meant nothing.

Of course all these stories can't be correct. The handler is still working in the same field, so he must do his job satisfactorily. The dog knew exactly what he was supposed to find, he had found it before in his career. If he alerted to another body then both he and the handler got it right and the alerts did mean something. The desperate attempts to deny the possibility that the child died in 5A have produced some very imaginative but ultimately contradictory stories.
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Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1419 on: January 17, 2017, 11:02:22 AM »
Yet still in the first few minutes and hours when Kate thought her remaining children may have been sedated by an unknown drug and while she had the training to know it was imperative for her children's wellbeing that they found out what that drug was she did nothing. Odd doesn't seem an adequate enough description.
she had quite a lot on her mind at the time, but let's forget to mention that shall we?  In any case when did it actually occur to Kate that the children might have been sedated?  Was it her first thought, in the moments after Madeleine's disappearance?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1420 on: January 17, 2017, 11:31:59 AM »
she had quite a lot on her mind at the time, but let's forget to mention that shall we?  In any case when did it actually occur to Kate that the children might have been sedated?  Was it her first thought, in the moments after Madeleine's disappearance?

When did it occur to Kate that the children may have been sedated? Straight away when she found them unresponsive I would have thought. Was it her first thought? For the sake of her two remaining children I would have hoped so.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1421 on: January 17, 2017, 11:33:36 AM »
He also wrote that calpol was a sedative, Tanner identified Murat and Prior was heard to say that in the UK the McCanns would be arrested on less evidence. So where does that leave us?

With confirmation that the Portuguese courts were right to indict Amaral for lying.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1422 on: January 17, 2017, 11:46:48 AM »
With confirmation that the Portuguese courts were right to indict Amaral for lying.

So he's a liar and his claim that the twins woke up when they were moved to another apartment is not to be believed. Is that correct?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1423 on: January 17, 2017, 11:49:34 AM »
According to Amaral the twins did wake up that night - from his book:

– The twins only woke up when they were being transferred to the other apartment. They sleep deeply, those English children…

So if he is to be believed (and why would he lie?) then this would probably explain why Kate McCann did not feel the need to rush her children to hospital.  They woke up and so were not unresponsive.

But Diane Webster, who was there, says that that was the funny thing, even when the twins were brought out into the cold while being moved to another apartment that they didn't wake. So who are we to believe?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfie

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Re: Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.
« Reply #1424 on: January 17, 2017, 11:53:31 AM »
But Diane Webster, who was there, says that that was the funny thing, even when the twins were brought out into the cold while being moved to another apartment that they didn't wake. So who are we to believe?
Oh dear, a bit of a dilemma for you there - which one is telling the monstrous lie?  Surely not Amaral?!  Why would he tell such a whopper?  Where is the man's moral compass?  Can we trust a word of what he wrote in his book is these are the lies he is peddling?