Kate McCann: I believe kidnapper drugged my twins night Madeleine was taken.

[sadie]

Why don't you admit; it we struggle to explain the cadaver dog alert.  There was the alert in the bedroom and another in the garden area.  A scenario that covers both spots is a body being removed from the apartment and tossed over the balustrade into the garden.  You can't give that cadaver a name or a reason for its demise.

You can't just say "did he understand that the so called 'dog alerts' were not alerts to cadaver odour at all". 
Do cadaver dogs ever produce a genuine alert to a cadaver?  I presume you will say "yes". So how can you tell them apart?  How do you separate the genuine ones from the false positives?

The genuine alerts to the false positive look the same to me.  The only reason that we KNOW that the alerts in mistys video are false is because there are so many of them that they cant all be true.  There was only one alert in 5A that isn't discreditted by Keelas checking, but it is exactly the same as the alerts in mistus video where we know they are untrue.


I dont struggle at all with understanding the likely meaning of the alerts.  I am somewhat dyslexic and a I do have problems, at times, putting my reasons and thoughts into understandable prose tho.

You have to face it, even if it flies against the ideas you have in your theory, the scenario does NOT indicate Cadaver odour in the apartment as Amaral claimed.  He diidn't undetrstand it, as it seems you do not either.


There is only one spot where the odour was NOT alerted to by Keela and that can be explained by one of twom different reasons.
1)   mistys video and Eddie barking in many corners, in just the same way as Eddie alerted in 5A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THoDAqUTl48

2)   The fact that Tasmin Milburn Silences Grandpa died whilst living in that apartment, albeit, we are told in hospital.  It is customary to return all clothes and belongings to the widow.  Even if the pyjamas that he died in had been washed, to the keen nose of a VRD dog, the place that they stood would have reeked of cadaver odour.

Some spouses of deceased partners feel comfort from keeping their ashes near them.  That would be especially so at night.  Hence the urn may have stood right by the side of the bed where she could touch them, or pick them up, if she needed comfort.


You simply cannot, in any degree of fairness, state that these alerts were evidence or even intelligence, Rob

I know that you fervently believe your theory, but it would be a mistake to allow your decency and judgement to be coloured by your wish for your theory to be correct

[faithlilly]

Oh dear, a bit of a dilemma for you there - which one is telling the monstrous lie?  Surely not Amaral?!  Why would he tell such a whopper?  Where is the man's moral compass?  Can we trust a word of what he wrote in his book is these are the lies he is peddling?

No dilemma for me Alfie as I have no particular allegiance to Amaral or belief in what he wrote in his book. What I do know, however, is that Rebelo was still asking the same questions Amaral had asked and some more of his own as can be seen by the rogatory question he wished to be put to the FLO's ( thank you G-Unit).

[Alfie]

No dilemma for me Alfie as I have no particular allegiance to Amaral or belief in what he wrote in his book. What I do know, however, is that Rebelo was still asking the same questions Amaral had asked and some more of his own as can be seen by the rogatory question he wished to be put to the FLO's ( thank you G-Unit).

So why do you think Amaral lied about the twins waking up then?

[faithlilly]

So why do you think Amaral lied about the twins waking up then?

No idea. Why don't you email him and ask?

[Alfie]

No idea. Why don't you email him and ask?

I'm not that interested tbh.   Similarly you could email the McCanns and ask them why they "lied" about Huelva, or any of the other myriad questions you seem to have concerning their statements and actions instead of asking the forum to keep giving you the answers.  Then, when they reply "no comment" or don't reply at all you can accuse them of having something to hide... 

[jassi]

I'm not that interested tbh.   Similarly you could email the McCanns and ask them why they "lied" about Huelva, or any of the other myriad questions you seem to have concerning their statements and actions instead of asking the forum to keep giving you the answers.  Then, when they reply "no comment" or don't reply at all you can accuse them of having something to hide... 

I believe they don't answer emails. Robi tried, without success.

[Alfie]

I believe they don't answer emails. Robi tried, without success.

I think that's very sensible of them because let's face it - if they did, each and every word they wrote would be forensically examined for signs that they dunnit.

[G-Unit]

The genuine alerts to the false positive look the same to me.  The only reason that we KNOW that the alerts in mistys video are false is because there are so many of them that they cant all be true.  There was only one alert in 5A that isn't discreditted by Keelas checking, but it is exactly the same as the alerts in mistus video where we know they are untrue.


I dont struggle at all with understanding the likely meaning of the alerts.  I am somewhat dyslexic and a I do have problems, at times, putting my reasons and thoughts into understandable prose tho.

You have to face it, even if it flies against the ideas you have in your theory, the scenario does NOT indicate Cadaver odour in the apartment as Amaral claimed.  He diidn't undetrstand it, as it seems you do not either.


There is only one spot where the odour was NOT alerted to by Keela and that can be explained by one of twom different reasons.
1)   mistys video and Eddie barking in many corners, in just the same way as Eddie alerted in 5A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THoDAqUTl48

2)   The fact that Tasmin Milburn Silences Grandpa died whilst living in that apartment, albeit, we are told in hospital.  It is customary to return all clothes and belongings to the widow.  Even if the pyjamas that he died in had been washed, to the keen nose of a VRD dog, the place that they stood would have reeked of cadaver odour.

Some spouses of deceased partners feel comfort from keeping their ashes near them.  That would be especially so at night.  Hence the urn may have stood right by the side of the bed where she could touch them, or pick them up, if she needed comfort.


You simply cannot, in any degree of fairness, state that these alerts were evidence or even intelligence, Rob

I know that you fervently believe your theory, but it would be a mistake to allow your decency and judgement to be coloured by your wish for your theory to be correct

The dog alets were intelligence which led to further searches of places and items connected to the McCanns.

[faithlilly]

I'm not that interested tbh.   Similarly you could email the McCanns and ask them why they "lied" about Huelva, or any of the other myriad questions you seem to have concerning their statements and actions instead of asking the forum to keep giving you the answers.  Then, when they reply "no comment" or don't reply at all you can accuse them of having something to hide... 

Why would I ? I know why the McCanns lied about Huelva, Kate told us.

[Alfie]

Why would I ? I know why the McCanns lied about Huelva, Kate told us.

Maybe she was lying...?

[Robittybob1]

I believe they don't answer emails. Robi tried, without success.

I've sent information to Operation Grange and to the Investigation site run by the McCanns but I have not tried writing to the McCanns directly (via work or home addresses etc.).

[ferryman]

I believe they don't answer emails. Robi tried, without success.

How on earth does anyone (outside those to whom they choose to disclose it) get the McCanns' email address?

[jassi]

I guess the Professor will have an open contact address and there is the fund address.  There might be other more devious ways as well.

[Robittybob1]

It's impossible to show that Eddie gave false alerts in 5A, Rob. Even so, hours are spent spent attempting to discredit his handler, to suggest that the dog was alerting to something else, to suggest that some other body or associated items had been there and, finally, to say the alerts meant nothing.

Of course all these stories can't be correct. The handler is still working in the same field, so he must do his job satisfactorily. The dog knew exactly what he was supposed to find, he had found it before in his career. If he alerted to another body then both he and the handler got it right and the alerts did mean something. The desperate attempts to deny the possibility that the child died in 5A have produced some very imaginative but ultimately contradictory stories.

Trying to get back to the OP and not to turn this thread into another dog thread, but still talking about the dogs:

1. If an abductor had overdosed MM and she died how long after death would it be before cadaver odour was detectable 3 months later?  There was any strange smell in her apartment so I think we can safely say she was alive that Thursday (i.e. I don't buy into Richards Hall's theory of her being dead most of that week).

2. How long would it take for the substance to take effect and then kill her from an overdose?

[Robittybob1]

But Diane Webster, who was there, says that that was the funny thing, even when the twins were brought out into the cold while being moved to another apartment that they didn't wake. So who are we to believe?

There are degrees to waking up too aren't there?  Like "wake up and get up" is different to "waking up and rolling over a going straight back to sleep".